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How credit cards make money

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Re: How credit cards make money

#151
Generally good article, but this part bothers me:

> For another, this ended up being an almost peculiarly American experience. In Europe, regulators were worried about the cost of interchange to businesses (rather than consumers) and capped it. Since issuers didn’t have the margin to compete on rewards paid for by interchange, they instead leaned into branding and convenience, and credit cards became a smaller portion of the payment mix (about 47% of electronic payments, compared to almost 70% in the U.S.).

First, the 47% is for all types of cards, debit and credit. Second in the SEPA space (at least the eurozone), wire transfers are free of charge, and are frequently used(for rent, salary, buying a kitchen, even between friends, at least in France), which removes some of the uses for bank cards. Furthermore, bank cards usually have limits, so buying expensive things (like a car or kitchen) isn't necessarily straightforward, unlike a wire transfer. IMHO shit prices and delays are the reason peope in the US often use cheques where in the EU we'd use a wire transfer, and it isn't really true that cards are less used here.

Re: How credit cards make money

#152

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You missed the biggest advantage of credit cards - the limited liability of the card holder to fraudulent charges! From a financial website… “ CREDIT CARDS Credit cards offer consumers the widest fraud protection. By Federal law, a cardholder is only liable for the first $50 of an unauthorized transaction at most, with many issuers offering cards with zero liability. DEBIT CARDS Debit card holders are protected under…

I got burned by Aliexpress and now I highly recommend people use credit cards for all purchases. I had a debit card saved on Aliexpress. The account was compromised by unknown means (maybe public wifi). Someone bought several $1,000+ phones from China that shipped to me in the US. I presume the sellers were in on it and were selling me unwanted inventory at inflated prices. Because they had tracking information, my b…

> Because they had tracking information, my bank (HSBC) said their hands were tied...

But a lawsuit might untie them. That said fraud can sometimes be too hard to prove.

Re: How credit cards make money

#153

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Another popular one people do not expect is Apple credit card’s bank is Goldman Sachs.

Apple doesn’t hide they partnered with Goldman Sachs. https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/08/apple-card-and-goldma...

The physical card even has "Goldman Sachs" laser etched on the back.

Re: How credit cards make money

#154

The knowledge which the author has been sharing has been my interest for a long time. I gave up because lack of material on it. Any idea how did OP gain all these knowledge? For example, I want to implement a QR payment application, think like transferring money through Venmo using QR code, now Paypal does it, very popular in China -- basically a payment processing application but my local country - think Mexico or P…

> If I wanted to create an API to interact with a bank for my local city here in the U.S., do I call up a bank teller and ask me to connect me to someone who is interested in integrating their bank with the world?

I always wondered this, but when some minor crime seems to get heavily investigated by police. Seems like there are avenues to report something and have it taken seriously that just doesn’t exist for the general public calling the general number.

Re: How credit cards make money

#155

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You missed the biggest advantage of credit cards - the limited liability of the card holder to fraudulent charges! From a financial website… “ CREDIT CARDS Credit cards offer consumers the widest fraud protection. By Federal law, a cardholder is only liable for the first $50 of an unauthorized transaction at most, with many issuers offering cards with zero liability. DEBIT CARDS Debit card holders are protected under…

I got burned by Aliexpress and now I highly recommend people use credit cards for all purchases. I had a debit card saved on Aliexpress. The account was compromised by unknown means (maybe public wifi). Someone bought several $1,000+ phones from China that shipped to me in the US. I presume the sellers were in on it and were selling me unwanted inventory at inflated prices. Because they had tracking information, my b…

You can save your debit/credit card, just don't save the CVV (if it is static). My debit card provider also has a feature to randomizes CVV every 5 minutes ie. for every purchase (I can enable or disable the feature). CVV is mandatory for online usage of debit/credit card.

The same provider also give 25 IBANs per account. I could, for free, put 25 virtual debit cards on them, and have the IBANs empty unless I put money on it. Good luck scamming me this way. After all, the accounts are empty except for a few min when I put money on them to spend it.

Re: How credit cards make money

#156
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Paraphrasing a lot, I think the advice is to have one credit card for scheduled payments and things, and not take that out of the house. That way if your out and about card gets replaced, you won't need to go through and update all your scheduled payments.

I can't be the only one that uses my once-every-18-month credit card cancellation to help me track down the services that I forgot I had subscribed to.

Unless you're dropping the account completely, it's not super effective, because card issuers participate in services to update your subscriptions to newly issued numbers.

Re: How credit cards make money

#157

> Debit cards are a very similar product with enough under-the-hood differences that they deserve their own moment in the sun. In particular, due to a quirk of U.S. interchange regulation, they basically fund most of the fintech industry Basically, the Durbin Amendment caps interchange on debit cards at a far, far lower rate than credit cards; they also have different networks (not MC or Visa) that can be run at leas…

Credit cards are not a panacea. For subprime customers, debit cards are often more popular because they help ensure people spend within their limits.

Re: How credit cards make money

#158
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> It’s often forgotten, but prior to credit cards, many Main Street retailers like e.g. pharmacies maintained hundreds or thousands of credit accounts for customers individually, necessitating their own back offices, accounting, and collections headache. This article is a great history of how the modern credit card came into being https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/magazine/19...

As for pharmacies, it’s often because insurance companies didn’t do online billing.

People would have to pay for their drugs, submit a claim by mail (or drop off at their employer) and get a cheque.

Sometimes they could send the cheque to the pharmacy directly.

Sometimes the pharmacy (or dentist or whoever) would submit the claim for you.

Credit cards reduced the necessity of this (so you’re not floating the cost, but the pharmacy is directly until they get paid by the insureco).

There’s still some people that will pay cash in Canada for their meds and submit their receipts so they can get that 1-2% in points, but that doesn’t really work where drug prices aren’t controlled.

As pharmacy chains and insureco increasingly become one and the same, and the insureco can take its time paying out-of-network pharmacies to starve them a bit.

Re: How credit cards make money

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I got burned by Aliexpress and now I highly recommend people use credit cards for all purchases. I had a debit card saved on Aliexpress. The account was compromised by unknown means (maybe public wifi). Someone bought several $1,000+ phones from China that shipped to me in the US. I presume the sellers were in on it and were selling me unwanted inventory at inflated prices. Because they had tracking information, my b…

My solution to this is having a debit card connected to an account that has no funds and allows no overdrafts. And I only load the account when I specifically want to pay for something. I do this for everything, incl. Spotify, Netflix, etc. I pay a subscription when I want to pay for it, so usually at the end of the month I load the total of my subscriptions and they all go away. This also helps me keep track of my s…

How is this better than using a credit card?

Re: How credit cards make money

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The term for us, who pay off their entire balance every month, is "deadbeats".

That’s an interesting term for “profitable customer who pays their debts”

I'd be much more profitable to them if I didn't pay the debts, and they'd accrue the usurious interest charges.

I found this out (and the term) after discovering my credit score was lower than I expected. With some investigation, it was low because it showed I had a lot of credit card debt. Paying it off each month did not factor into the credit score.

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