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Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by jseban »

Tarsul wrote: post #115
pvaldes wrote: post #92

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Children are much more fragile than adults to cold and hot. It does not matter if a fit adult can do it, you need to adapt it to the weakest link.

it's pretty typical in Germany that kids of all (school) ages bike to and from school, basically every day of the year. I did.

Why, it's much better for the kids to just take the bus, it's more practical and easier, and they don't have the risk of sitting cold and wet in school, what's the point of stubbornly cycling in shitty weather

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Post by jseban »

Tarsul wrote: post #115
pvaldes wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children are much more fragile than adults to cold and hot. It does not matter if a fit adult can do it, you need to adapt it to the weakest link.

it's pretty typical in Germany that kids of all (school) ages bike to and from school, basically every day of the year. I did.

I also had to cycle my whole childhood to school, and I don't see the point at all, it just felt like some kind of unnecessary punishment and some creepy amish like way of being against technology

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Post by Daishiman »

ResearchCode wrote: post #83
mejutoco wrote: post #82

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Barcelona is not a place where children have to commute in large groups to avoid crime. I do not know where you got that idea.

Got the idea from them being one of the crime capitals of Europe where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance. Could also be a little bit of the middle class being priced out of driving cars. Futurism in the Davos sense perhaps. You will own nothing...

"The crime capital of Europe" is a literal walk in the park compared to any metropolis in the Americas.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by jseban »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #124
xwdv wrote: post #106

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It would be a shame if they are banned as it is one of the most efficient and enjoyable ways to get around the city.

In my opinion they certainly bring the fun factor, but regarding efficency they offer no real advantage over electric mopeds, especially when riding them with a passenger. They are probably more "portable" though.

Electric mopeds are amazing, best way of transporting yourself in a city when the weather allows. It has all the benefits, the only downside is that you can't really use it in rain or snow.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by jseban »

maccam94 wrote: post #146
jseban wrote: post #99

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Same where I live, and now we have 1 empty bike lane and traffic jam in the remaining with sirens all the time because emergency vehicles can't pass anymore. It seems completely useless, convert a fully functional lane of a road, to an empty lane that's not used, why? And that reasoning is also really strange, just remove roads to force people to drive less? Well you also just removed mobility? Remove busses, subways…

There will be as much traffic on a road as there are people willing to put up with it. Urban planners can reduce traffic by introducing alternative transportation methods and either raising costs for cars (congestion pricing, dynamic parking pricing, etc) or making them less convenient (reduce parking, fewer cars lanes, etc). Some transportation options, like buses and bikes, become more attractive when infrastructur…

Make society less efficient and less convenient? Why? We already have electric cars, and electric 2 wheel mopeds/motorcycles too if you want to complain about "space"

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Post by jseban »

maccam94 wrote: post #146
jseban wrote: post #99

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Same where I live, and now we have 1 empty bike lane and traffic jam in the remaining with sirens all the time because emergency vehicles can't pass anymore. It seems completely useless, convert a fully functional lane of a road, to an empty lane that's not used, why? And that reasoning is also really strange, just remove roads to force people to drive less? Well you also just removed mobility? Remove busses, subways…

There will be as much traffic on a road as there are people willing to put up with it. Urban planners can reduce traffic by introducing alternative transportation methods and either raising costs for cars (congestion pricing, dynamic parking pricing, etc) or making them less convenient (reduce parking, fewer cars lanes, etc). Some transportation options, like buses and bikes, become more attractive when infrastructur…

Infrastructure rightly prioritises the most useful and most efficient modes of transportation, and gives less priority to that which is less useful and efficient. That's rational and correct, no need to change that.

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Post by jseban »

tjr225 wrote: post #148
jseban wrote: post #43

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People also like to choose whatever they think is fun, if you want to play tennis instead of riding a bike, because you think that's more fun, you should be able to do so. Your fun is at the expense of other people's mobility, why can't you just use some of the other million ways of getting exercise and having fun, where you don't have to be in other people's way?

I had no fucking idea what you were talking about until I read your other comments about the bike lane in front of your home. I can’t believe I have to explain this to you; just because your city did bike infrastructure wrong doesn’t mean it can’t be done the right way. Honestly, such a weird set of comments, I can’t tell if your a troll or what but, best of luck to you!

I'm simply talking about cycling in a big city from a practical point of view, based on facts and my own experience, and pointing out the limitations. As opposed to using cycling as some kind of protest, and people get triggered when I'm challenging the latest virtue signalling trend.

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Post by jseban »

inglor_cz wrote: post #58
Kafkish wrote: post #32

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Then the problem is not the heat, but your fitness level, which regular biking, jogging will improve. It did for me. After about 20 years of no exercise, just sitting in front of a computer, I decided last November to start exercising (jogging. Bad knees make biking a bad idea) My 1st day out jogging, I could only go 0.5 miles non-stop before I almost passed out. Today I can do 5.5 miles non-stop. My cardiovascular s…

I have quite a lot of exercise, but I have hard time tolerating high temperatures in general, and it has been getting worse with age. I should have been born somewhere in Siberia.

I simply just want to do other sports and want to have the choice of what I do for exercise, and have maximum freedom to how I spend my (free) time and energy, and not use most of it on commuting.

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Post by _nalply »

Scoundreller wrote: post #94
peoplefromibiza wrote: post #84

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Been in Paris two weeks ago as well to visit my girlfriend who's been living there for 11 years. Scooters are in the process of being banned in Paris because they are too dangerous and in Rome, where I come from, they are going yo be heavily regulated (mandatory helmet, reduced speed, designated pick up and drop locations, etc. ) because they caused a +35% increase of brain traumas to teenagers Not everything that lo…

I wonder if they’ll actually enforce the scooter ban on private ones. Because they certainly don’t enforce traffic laws on motos lane splitting constantly anywhere.

Haha.

I rented a car. This gave me the feeling that it is inofficially tolerated by the police. But driving on the bus lanes is very strictly verboten even for motos and using the bike lanes is frowned upon. I once saw a lorry unloading on a bike lane and a police car stopping by the driver and after some gesticulating the police seemed to admonish the driver like this: okay but get away from here ASAP!

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by _nalply »

MomoXenosaga wrote: post #97
_nalply wrote: post #50

I have been in Paris two weeks ago and I am surprised how much Paris changed in the last years. Bike lanes and people who ride bikes and scooters everywhere. I hope that this is THE change in most European metropolises for the future. Not only in Barcelona.

I honestly can't wait for electric vehicles to become common. No more getting gas attacked when waiting at a traffic stop. Air pollution is a big deal in my country.

Electric vehicles are plugging up traffic exactly as bad as fossil fueled vehicles.

Now I read a little more about Paris what changed. The mayor Ms Hidalgo introduced the concept of the 15 minute city [0]. It's more important that people can reach all important services within 15 minutes of walking than having Teslas standing in traffic everywhere.

[0]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/feb/07/paris-mayor-un...

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