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Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

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Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

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> Our vision is to build the first car-free city in the US What if I like my car, and the ability to easily travel outside the city limits that comes along with it?

you don't have to move there, its not a personal attack on you.

> its not a personal attack on you.

Who is implying that it is?

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

#152

As the article hinted at the simple answer is Car Dependency. Suburbs are regulated and built to accommodate cars now and not people. The topic is explored thouroughly on the 'Not Just Bikes' youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes which uses information from urban planning group 'Strong Towns' https://www.strongtowns.org/ .

There is not faster to way to discredit oneself than to offer a pat, single variable explanation. As others point out, Americans like and want to transport themselves by car. Let's accept this, work with it, and build around it instead of lusting after a minority defined Utopia.

I am not sure if we can tell whether Americans like cars or not considering they don’t really have a choice.

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

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This attitude is a good-sized chunk of the reason why the article was written. The constant focus on "how to make it as cheaply as possible, now" has brought some benefits: we can make housing that in many ways (not all) is better and cheaper than it ever has been in the past. But ... building neighborhoods of "desirable" character is about more than how much your house costs right now. It's about the legacy a cultur…

I just think this is insane to me. We know the cost to build more intricate builds - it isn't a 2% cost increase its a 30 or 50% cost increase. There are already tons of restrictions on building and zoning in America. I like nice cars but I dont insist that everyone drive a European sports car just because it would be aesthetically more pleasing. Ultimately, a city/town will be better off if people can spend 20% of t…

And in 20 or 30 or 50 or 100 year, some of our descendants will walk/drive/fly/float through it all and wonder why we never built anything to last, or anything beautiful.

Beautiful and comfortable neighborhoods ARE additional resources for ourselves, our families and our communities.

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

#154

As the article hinted at the simple answer is Car Dependency. Suburbs are regulated and built to accommodate cars now and not people. The topic is explored thouroughly on the 'Not Just Bikes' youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes which uses information from urban planning group 'Strong Towns' https://www.strongtowns.org/ .

There is not faster to way to discredit oneself than to offer a pat, single variable explanation. As others point out, Americans like and want to transport themselves by car. Let's accept this, work with it, and build around it instead of lusting after a minority defined Utopia.

San Francisco and New York, the most walkable and densely built urban areas in America, are famous for their extremely high rents. This is a function of extremely high demand for housing there.

Apparently a whole lot of Americans _don't_ want to transport themselves by car.

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

#155

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The airgap costs you in energy terms in most climates in N. America.

Sanity trumps energy every single time. Noise from shared walls will drive most of us insane eventually.

The majority of denizens of most major cities around the world would disagree with that, at least to some extent.

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

#156

As the article hinted at the simple answer is Car Dependency. Suburbs are regulated and built to accommodate cars now and not people. The topic is explored thouroughly on the 'Not Just Bikes' youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes which uses information from urban planning group 'Strong Towns' https://www.strongtowns.org/ .

There is not faster to way to discredit oneself than to offer a pat, single variable explanation. As others point out, Americans like and want to transport themselves by car. Let's accept this, work with it, and build around it instead of lusting after a minority defined Utopia.

Right. It's not just car dependency, and ... it's Not Just Bikes either.

It's almost a tautology to say that if you want to have a particular kind of nice neighborhood you'll have to include those uses in your planning.

I think that most people want to be able to get from A to B in comfort, and are not necessarily married to one particular mode of transport.

If the only way to get anywhere is by car, then of course people want to transport themselves by car. If you offer other competitive options, people will sometimes take those options instead.

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

#157

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There is not faster to way to discredit oneself than to offer a pat, single variable explanation. As others point out, Americans like and want to transport themselves by car. Let's accept this, work with it, and build around it instead of lusting after a minority defined Utopia.

Well said. Another angle is the race angle. Most people advocating for lesser cars are young, healthy, rich and white. Healthy enough to not use cars and rich enough to live near work. https://theconversation.com/the-unbearable-whiteness-of-cycl... The group that talks about systemic racism is perpetuating it.

"Healthy enough not to use cars" - man, that's a good one. I'll remember it next time my half-senile father in law has no other choice but to drive somewhere because there's no way around his car dependent neighbourhood - oh wait, that's every day.

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

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Two reasons: 1. People (in the US at least) overall consistently choose more land over living somewhere walkable. In a lot of places, the marginal cost of more land is near zero; and 2. The dirty secret of car dependency is that most people (in the US) like being car dependent. In all but the densest largest cities, private vehicles are so much more convenient. Even in Manhattan there are a nontrivial number of peopl…

>1. People (in the US at least) overall consistently choose more land over living somewhere walkable. In a lot of places, the marginal cost of more land is near zero

Yeah this pretty much. In some other countries, it's really expensive to own a large piece of land somewhere remote, so only the Uber-rich can live in those sorts of settings.

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

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> Our vision is to build the first car-free city in the US What if I like my car, and the ability to easily travel outside the city limits that comes along with it?

Then you would probably choose to live somewhere else?

Re: Why can't we build nice neighborhoods anymore?

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I often see urbanists and young people fantasize about life in car free mega cities. Having lived that life for years I can’t imagine why. A lot of cities that are beautiful and attractive also have room for cars. I would even argue it is a big part of what makes those cities attractive. There’s no substitute for the point to point on demand fast transportation that cars offer. In cities that aren’t overbuilt, it mak…

Even famously “mass transit unfriendly” cities can be fit for a car-free lifestyle if you work at it. But I suspect a huge part of it is visiting Europe or Asia as a tourist and enjoying being without a car. But they didn’t actually live there.

> I suspect a huge part of it is visiting Europe or Asia as a tourist and enjoying being without a car.

Agreed.

As a tourist you also tend to visit the historic center of capital cities, which have by far the best public transport and fanciest architecture.

Plus you're on vacation and having fun.

When you live there and walk to your commuter train a gray november morning, it's a very different experience.

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