The worst thing about Pop OS is the official styling of its name. "Pop!_OS", who came up with this?
"Pop, pop!"
Pop OS – System76
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Re: Pop OS – System76
#152Earlier quoted context omitted.
Better marketing doesn't make it better. If you compare the actual releases I think you will find Debian to be more stable overall.
I would prefer to use Debian if it was more stable. It worked fine on my workstation but if I try to use it on my laptop it would not ever resume from suspend making it unusable. I think Ubuntu has the benefit of the large user base making it more likely that your problem is solved. My laptop is also a 5 year old thinkpad x1 gen 4 so it should be supported, and Debian is the only linux that gave me this problem.
While unlikely, it could've been that the kernel version was too old or you were missing non-free drivers for something?
On my experience, if it worked in Ubuntu, it would work on Debian, and if it didn't, using the latest backported kernel would solve it.
Re: Pop OS – System76
#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
ive been wondering. if a new user is switching from windows, don't you think something like kde neon would have "less friction" UX wise ? i somewhat understand the appeal of pop os but gnome is wildly different from windows and i have seen people turn off.
Just install dash-to-panel and desktop icons extension. Now you've a very fine traditional interface.
Re: Pop OS – System76
#154I'm confused. A lot of people here coming from Windows and other Linux distros seem to appreciate how easy to use and out of the way is Pop OS. And that's exactly how I'd describe my experience with Ubuntu proper. Can someone who made the transition from Ubuntu to Pop OS tell us how big a difference there are between the two flavors?
I've used them both pretty extensively as well as Red Hat based distros. For me there's a few minor, but important enough to make me stay on pop, differences: 1. It uses systemd-boot as the boot loader. I like not having a grub menu, just turn on my computer and I'm basically on the login screen. It's seamless. 2. Flathub enabled out of the box. I find Flatpaks the best experience for lots of common apps like Slack,…
> 1. It uses systemd-boot as the boot loader. I like not having a grub menu, just turn on my computer and I'm basically on the login screen. It's seamless.
For those on other distros wondering about this behavior and whether they can get it: systemd-boot does support menus, and GRUB also supports bypassing the menu. Systemd-boot is quite good though. It's simpler to configure and less feature-complete than GRUB, and a great first choice for EFI setups.
Re: Pop OS – System76
#155Have been using Pop OS as my daily driver on an i3 NUC10 for the past 9 months and i've got to say the experience has been relatively smooth. The only issues i've encountered so far are the occasional screen flickering when i run the android emulator and printing.
But funny enough I'm able to put up with these little inconveniences because after all it's a free OS. I find myself to be much more tolerant than when I was using MacOS and my macbook pro. Between the dead keys, apple tax, dongle life and the OS quirks ...
Re: Pop OS – System76
#156Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The main problem of the OS was its very poor power management. With Kubuntu/Mint, I get about 5.5 hours of battery backup from my laptop and when using Pop, I barely got 3. Yes, I get more than two hours more from using Kubuntu/Mint rather than Pop. I had the same experience. However, is your laptop a dual-GPU model? System76 enables hybrid graphics by default; most other distributions don't, and that can account f…
The laptop in discussion does not have even a single GPU.
You mean you were software rendering everything? Or there was an igpu?
Re: Pop OS – System76
#157Earlier quoted context omitted.
I've used them both pretty extensively as well as Red Hat based distros. For me there's a few minor, but important enough to make me stay on pop, differences: 1. It uses systemd-boot as the boot loader. I like not having a grub menu, just turn on my computer and I'm basically on the login screen. It's seamless. 2. Flathub enabled out of the box. I find Flatpaks the best experience for lots of common apps like Slack,…
I really apologize, but this answer only made me even more confused: 1. I don't get the grub menu on any of my Ubuntu machines (except for the one I use to test stuff where many distros co-exist); I "just turn on my computer and I'm basically on the login screen. It's seamless." 2. Same. But with Snap. (I know that many people here don't like snaps for many reasons, and I do too, sometimes. But experience-wise, they'…
> 2. Same. But with Snap. (I know that many people here don't like snaps for many reasons, and I do too, sometimes. But experience-wise, they're fine and comparable to Flutpaks. It's even possible to add Flathub if one's into that);
Snap is much worse at dependency sharing than Flatpak, which is surprisingly okay at it despite the container-based approach. This means that after you install your first one or two Snaps or Flatpaks, Flatpak is several times faster than Snap.
Snap has pretty atrocious download sizes and install times, plus noticeably slower app start times, even on NVMe and very fast internet. I definitely recommend directly comparing them.
(Keep both around of course, to leave whichever as a last resort for what's missing from the other.)
Re: Pop OS – System76
#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
PopOS is marketed as a general purpose distro, same as Ubuntu. Made by System76, but don't think they're claiming it doesn't work anywhere else. They're under no obligation to test it on Dell machines, of course. The community should be doing that.
Yeah, but I think jeppester also hits on a wider, and valid, point: OS X has got it easier, only needing to provide very limited hardware support.
Relatively, yes. They've now managed to support double digit configs across two CPU architectures, so from a throwing-stones-at-the-QA-team point of view it is a lot of work.
Definitely don't think System76 has that big a QA team, though, will have to be community supported as well.
Re: Pop OS – System76
#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fedora and pop OS have been ahead of windows for a while. Personally also think Mac is going the way of windows, I have to use it for testing safari sometimes the OS is an absolute nightmare to use, always popping up asking for my password or fingerprint or some other password, or some other permission, it's just a whole bunch of antipatterns.
You are absolutely correct. I remember when I switched from Windows XP to Mac how much quieter it got. No more constant pop ups, and importantly, apps were not allowed to steal focus. Now there’s a constant stream of interruptions. I’m constantly having window focus stolen by others apps while I’m typing, constantly having notifications, and the UI has only gotten worse over the last few years. But damn if that hardw…
Get a ThinkPad and install fedora. Read the arch wiki if you run into problems with specific software. You'll barely notice the change tbh, gnome is really good these days especially on a standard fedora workstation release.
ThinkPads mostly just work (they use Ubuntu to run their acceptance tests before shipping). You do sometimes run into issues for a couple months on new machine releases while kernel catches up but having enough Linux users running them means things get fixed eventually unlike on say system76. Dell xps works about as well if that's more your style.