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Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by mastax »

reilly3000 wrote: post #115
rhacker wrote: post #15

Facebook keeps asking Congress to make laws. How about this one: Peripherals, including mice, monitors, keyboards, VR headsets or any other device used to process input or output from a computer, may NOT be connected to any cloud service with an account. Any such cloud connections MUST be for software updates only and software updates MUST be capable of permanent opt-out without any loss of usage. I mean I grew up wi…

I hate to break it to you, but Logitech now runs always-on ‘Cloud Settings’ sync and telemetry software called Logi Options. It comes with a way to use a mouse across devices seamlessly (Flow) which requires low-level networking permissions and a daemon on all participating devices. It’s not required that you have an account or even use the software, but of course they actively push all of the above and require it to…

Logitech recently(?) released software plainly called "Onboard Memory Manager." In their own words:

OnBoard Memory Manager (OMM) is a utility for pro gamers to quickly configure the on-board memory profiles of compatible Logitech G mice by adjusting DPI, report rate, assignments, and by enabling the pairing/unpairing of devices. In an effort to meet the critical requirements for tournament use, OMM does not install itself, does not leave files on your drive(s), and does not access the internet. While OMM is used for on-board memory settings, additional device settings and customization are available through G HUB.

The current version is a little buggy with configuring the different DPI modes on my mouse (which I was disabling anyway), but I'm glad it exists. Thanks, pro gaming tournaments!

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by honkycat »

akerl_ wrote: post #36
rhacker wrote: post #15

Facebook keeps asking Congress to make laws. How about this one: Peripherals, including mice, monitors, keyboards, VR headsets or any other device used to process input or output from a computer, may NOT be connected to any cloud service with an account. Any such cloud connections MUST be for software updates only and software updates MUST be capable of permanent opt-out without any loss of usage. I mean I grew up wi…

Why is it desirable for Congress to make laws limiting how electronics manufacturers can design their electronics? If Facebook wants to make a VR headset that requires that you upload a monthly video of you doing the chicken dance, just don’t buy their product. Attempting to use government to make private entities build the kinds of technology you like is a pretty heavy hammer to drop on individual freedoms.

Because this is something people purchased, and then the log-in requirements were added later.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by zucker42 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #124
fartcannon wrote: post #3

Stuff like this is great fun, but if we just don't buy things from known bad actors in the first place, we can save ourselves the trouble of playing whack-a-mole.

This would be great if there was any hope to see a better actor coming in. Currently buying a Quest 2 equivalent from a "good" actor is just thought exercise. Looking at Vive, they don't seem ready to enter the regular consumer market anytime soon. Google and Samsung threw the towel long ago. I'm not sure Microsoft could be a better actor than Facebook if they wanted to (remember it all came down on us way after the…

There is a good guy in the space already it's Valve. The Index was good, and there are rumors that they are developing their own standalone VR headset (search "Deckard") which would theoretically compete directly with Quest 2.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by dylan604 »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #92
dylan604 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks. I don't typically read reddit, so I had not seen this. Starting to contemplate getting a new inkjet for the home office. I now have something else to keep in mind during the researching. This plus all of the ink jet forensic marking, I'm leaning towards the extra cost for color laser instead, and definitely not an HP.

Color lasers also have yellow tracking dots. You're only safe with a B&W laser or a 20+ year old color printer.

Has anyone looked into the source of the dots as in is it part of the software driver stack or the hardware on the printer. Has anyone come up with software/firmware that bypasses this? I have only read that it is a thing to be aware of, but not done any searching for more in-depth details.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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rhacker wrote: post #15

Facebook keeps asking Congress to make laws. How about this one: Peripherals, including mice, monitors, keyboards, VR headsets or any other device used to process input or output from a computer, may NOT be connected to any cloud service with an account. Any such cloud connections MUST be for software updates only and software updates MUST be capable of permanent opt-out without any loss of usage. I mean I grew up wi…

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Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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[deleted] wrote: post #155
rhacker wrote: post #15

Facebook keeps asking Congress to make laws. How about this one: Peripherals, including mice, monitors, keyboards, VR headsets or any other device used to process input or output from a computer, may NOT be connected to any cloud service with an account. Any such cloud connections MUST be for software updates only and software updates MUST be capable of permanent opt-out without any loss of usage. I mean I grew up wi…

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Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by gruez »

girvo wrote: post #141
akerl_ wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. If you choose not to take Facebook’s offering, you don’t get access to the things they and others build for their product. Do we want to make exclusivity deals between businesses illegal?

> Do we want to make exclusivity deals between businesses illegal? In certain circumstances, we already do (kind of): FRAND licensing for technical standards are a good example.

But that's done voluntarily and not forced by the state?

>[...] (FRAND) terms, denote a voluntary licensing commitment that standards organizations often request from the owner of an intellectual property right (usually a patent) that is, or may become, essential to practice a technical standard.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by Tostino »

malermeister wrote: post #116
akerl_ wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook is following the rules that exist. The discussion in this thread is whether or not it’s a good idea to add a rule that says whether a keyboard can require a cloud service. Now I think that keyboards that require cloud service are a stupid product, but if somebody wants to make one, I don’t think it’s the government’s job to ban them from making the attempt.

This approach is naive in that it completely ignores the outsized influence a corporation like Facebook has on the market. This isn't you making a free decision between competitors, like in an idealized econ 101 example. Facebook has already used its money to consolidate its grasp on the standalone VR market - can you think of a viable competitor to an Oculus Quest? Should people just have to put up with privacy abus…

I've essentially written off getting VR at this point due to Facebook being the big game in town. Nothing else really looks enticing and I will not give Facebook a cent of my money.

Re: Oculess – Removes account requirements and telemetry from Oculus Quest devices

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Post by jreese »

dylan604 wrote: post #8
system2 wrote: post #7

Why not HTC Vive though? Better development, better privacy, more game support.

Don't take away the satisfaction this dev received from accomplishing a big FUCK YOU to the Zuck by releasing this. I'm sure it'll be a cat&mouse type of situation where Oculus will release an update that renders this useless, then these devs will update their end, and on it goes.

Zuck doesn't think about this at all.
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