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Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by ksec »

Bun [1] is a JS bundler based on esbuild’s source, but written in Zig. And it is about 3x faster than esbuild. I think its author Jarred is on HN as well.

Probably worth a submission on its own but I am just waiting till it is fully open source.

Edit: ( Deleted those Stats, since it may not be a fair comparison and it was probably not meant to be a fair benchmark in the first place. The details are still in the linked tweets. I do not know the author or am I in anyway affiliate with Bun. )

I am also wondering how much of those optimisation could be used on ESbuild. Since Rails 7 and Phoenix 1.6 will be using esbuild and not Webpack.

[1] https://twitter.com/jarredsumner/status/1390084458724741121

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

depr wrote: post #140
DrBazza wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish people would stop idolising so called '10x' developers. Anyone that is comfortable and familiar with their toolset (e.g. go, .NET, Java, C++) and has a deep understanding of a problem (and has likely solved it once already), can churn out code far, far, faster than an onlooker.

Perhaps that is what makes them '10x developers': a great familiarity with their toolset and a deep understanding of the problems they are solving. In this sense I don't think it's bad to idolize them, as familiarity and understanding are achievable by many people, and they could all become a '10x developer'.

The thing is that people tend to appear to think it's black magic rather than familiarity with a toolset and a deep understanding of the problem.

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by ksec »

DrBazza wrote: post #115
eloff wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here too say this. The man authored in the neighborhood of 100k LOC in a year, just on this. There's a living 10x dev, it's not a myth. What is ridiculous is to think someone can 10x a normal developer, it's more like the difference between the top few percent and the bottom 10-20%. Evan Wallace is a beast, no doubt.

I really wish people would stop idolising so called '10x' developers. Anyone that is comfortable and familiar with their toolset (e.g. go, .NET, Java, C++) and has a deep understanding of a problem (and has likely solved it once already), can churn out code far, far, faster than an onlooker.

I dont think the parent is just about LOC, but the quality of those LOC.

There are people producing JS bundler and are comfortable and familiar with their toolset along with deep understanding of the problem. And they dont even come close to what is being described here.

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by zeroxfe »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #105
CodeIsTheEnd wrote: post #41

Work on esbuild started at the start of 2020. It is primarily authored and maintained by Evan Wallace, who, in addition to making this tremendous contribution to the JavaScript ecosystem, is the CTO and co-founder of Figma . Incredible output.

I don't understand this perspective. Everyone only has so many hours in a day, and there's only so fast you can work. If he's writing esbuild that is taking time away from being the CTO of Figma. Either he's working a shit ton, one of the things (Esbuild or Figma) is being somewhat neglected, or his output is actually not as high as it looks.

As someone that ran a company while working on side open source projects, don't underestimate the therapeutic value of writing code. (As a CEO, my job had almost no coding, and working on my opensource projects made me happy, and restored a lot of my energy.)

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by ksec »

baybal2 wrote: post #78
dom111 wrote: post #65

We recently switched on a few of our project from Webpack and the difference is incredible. Running a watch using this is practically instantaneous compared to our previous setup. I've been recommending it to all my colleagues and we're replacing Webpack slowly but surely. The main draw for me is the simplicity of the config too. Webpack config (even using things like Symfony's Encore) is pretty convoluted and confus…

Webpack is a bane of webdev existence. Having junior team encounter a webpack breakage === them spending as much time on tooling, as coding itself

>Webpack is a bane of webdev existence.

Modern Web Dev is the cause of Webpack though. Over complicated things.

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by maga »

antihero wrote: post #148
maga wrote: post #110

Often overlooked things when discussing esbuild here: 1. It's not just a faster replacement for a single %tool_name% in your build chain: for the vast majority of cases, it's the whole "chain" in a single cli command if you're doing it right. That is, you don't just stick it inside, say, webpack as a faster replacement for babel (although you can). No, you look carefully through your webpack configs and its myriad of…

We're using Vite and enjoying it, would you say much of Vite could be replaced with pure esbuild? I guess Vite provides a nice development experience but is built on esbuild.

I guess it depends on your project and workflow preferences. Personally, I'm not a big fan of HMR and the bundling times are negligible even without "pre-bundling" npm dependencies (as Vite puts), so I see little reason for Vite.

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by whoisthemachine »

have_faith wrote: post #129
swhitf wrote: post #113

You know you are getting old when you watch the arrival of the fourth JavaScript build tool of your career. I still remember when everyone was waving goodbye to Gulp in favour of Webpack. Webpack was going to save us all from the hell of massive convoluted gulp.js files. Fast forward five years and it's the same mess it was supposed to avoid. Slow, bloated and confusing. I just switched to esbuild on our main project…

I always found it amusing going from Grunt (unwieldly huge object based config) to Gulp (config is code, pipe transformations together in a simple unix'y way) to being told webpack is the future (huge unwieldly config objects again). Definitely felt like a step backwards although I appreciate the power webpacks gives to people building boilerplates like Create-react-app. I rarely use Gulp anymore but I still apprecia…

I felt the same, the industry's shift away from the gulp way of doing things was a real loss.

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by cj »

DrBazza wrote: post #115
eloff wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here too say this. The man authored in the neighborhood of 100k LOC in a year, just on this. There's a living 10x dev, it's not a myth. What is ridiculous is to think someone can 10x a normal developer, it's more like the difference between the top few percent and the bottom 10-20%. Evan Wallace is a beast, no doubt.

I really wish people would stop idolising so called '10x' developers. Anyone that is comfortable and familiar with their toolset (e.g. go, .NET, Java, C++) and has a deep understanding of a problem (and has likely solved it once already), can churn out code far, far, faster than an onlooker.

> has a deep understanding of a problem (and has likely solved it once already), can churn out code far, far, faster

Is this a bad thing to discourage? Perhaps one way to increase your output as a developer is to narrow your focus (rather than jumping on the latest framework or build system which require constantly re-learning new solutions to the same problem)

Re: Esbuild – An extremely fast JavaScript bundler

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Post by BiteCode_dev »

DrBazza wrote: post #115
eloff wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here too say this. The man authored in the neighborhood of 100k LOC in a year, just on this. There's a living 10x dev, it's not a myth. What is ridiculous is to think someone can 10x a normal developer, it's more like the difference between the top few percent and the bottom 10-20%. Evan Wallace is a beast, no doubt.

I really wish people would stop idolising so called '10x' developers. Anyone that is comfortable and familiar with their toolset (e.g. go, .NET, Java, C++) and has a deep understanding of a problem (and has likely solved it once already), can churn out code far, far, faster than an onlooker.

Sure, like anyone can be Usain Bolt if they are familiar with their body and has a deep understanding of running.
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