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Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by LegitShady » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 11:31 PM UTC

notabanker wrote: post #60

baybal2 wrote: post #43

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One on my list of mind boggling "Tech 2.0" scams were: 1. Teranos 2. Magic Leap 3. Andelur Ghost Only the last one still didn't get enough media attention. People who scored Andelur handshakes with the military & intelligence are the types who did it for Advanced Tactical Security & Communications Ltd ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ADE_651 ) Andelur is basically trying to sell the governments around the world a Chin…

Do you mean Anduril? I have only a passing knowledge of Anduril, thanks for sharing your impression of them. But knowing his track record, I tend to believe Palmer Luckey has the ability to achieve daring innovations. That said, with quantum leap innovation, failure is the more likely outcome.

> I tend to believe Palmer Luckey has the ability to achieve daring innovations.

If you're talking about oculus, they 'stole' a lot of their development from valve because there were valve employees who convinced whoever was decision making there to just give oculus tech without any license prior to the facebook acquisition, and then those employees got hired by oculus once they had facebook money.

Oculus is the story of one of the biggest tech scams in VR and the scam was on valve by employees who took advantage of and betrayed valve.

Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by LegitShady » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 11:33 PM UTC

simias wrote: post #35

I didn't know Magic Leap was still a thing, I'm somewhat impressed. I definitely understand the negativity in the comments but at the same time with their experience with the v1 maybe they'll manage to deliver something useful this time? Some skepticism is definitely warranted, but I'm looking forward to actual demonstrations of this hardware. Assuming of course that this time they'll actually share proper demo foota…

I think they're the definition of a sunken cost fallacy for VCs. People already billions into their company hoping to get something or even anything out of it.

Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by throwaway675309 » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 11:34 PM UTC

snek_case wrote: post #100

sydthrowaway wrote: post #81

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Are you serious? This looks like an undergraduate project hacked up with OpenCV.. I'd still give it an A though.

Yeah. I'm kind of left feeling like I'd rather fly the plane in a better looking simulated environment, with a first-person perspective. It's more flexible and fun than being tied to flying it in the environment around you. I still haven't seen a compelling use case for AR.

You can't envision a use case for A.R.???

Took me less than 5 minutes to think of the following:

1. Educational aspects such as being able to copy choreography by watching a virtual expert do it and still be able to see your own body mimicking the actions which she would not be able to do in VR (this could include juggling patterns, martial arts, any kind of complex motion)

2. Overlaying any number of AR layers on top of physical hardware, think of the idea that you could look at a complex circuit board and immediately get tooltip pop-ups over each integrated circuit and how they work

3. Building things in the real world located at absolute GPS coordinates and having them persist so that other people who are on the same shared AR "layer" see them. You could create buildings wondrous castles creatures and effectively create new layers of existence, and these layers could stack and be as deep as you ever wanted them to be

4. Being able to do virtual reality in much larger spaces so you could take your AR glasses and walk out onto a soccer field and then project a game such as you fighting a bunch of storm troopers while moving around physically in a huge field

Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 11:34 PM UTC

tsimionescu wrote: post #135

systemvoltage wrote: post #115

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I saw it during an interview at Ft Lauderdale. I was interviewing for the optics metrology engineer position. It was as mind blowing as the op is stating. Absolutely stunning. This was 5 years ago. Signed a bunch of NDA papers so shouldn’t talk too much about it.

Allow us who haven't experienced it to highly doubt this. At the very best it looks like nifty tech that would be fun to play around with for a couple of hours until the novelty wears off, no more than that.

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Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by LegitShady » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 11:36 PM UTC

dabeeeenster wrote: post #58

I never quite figured out these tweets: https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/656667346837200896?... I’ve had the Magic Leap demo. It was worth going to Florida for. https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/842399282485460992?... So, a while ago I said that seeing Magic Leap was the coolest thing I'd seen since the iPhone. It's now much cooler than that. Any suggestions?

Now you know you can't trust that person, because they're full of it, or too ignorant about what they were shown to understand it was bs and thus not someone to follow for news/advice/etc on it.

I personally believe that they raised a ton of money and the people behind that money wanted it to be successful so had friends of theirs in various media spaces hype it even more.

When someone has a positive magic leap review, including these throwaway comments like you linked, I assume its corruption. Just my opinion.

Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 11:37 PM UTC

defen wrote: post #137

systemvoltage wrote: post #115

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I saw it during an interview at Ft Lauderdale. I was interviewing for the optics metrology engineer position. It was as mind blowing as the op is stating. Absolutely stunning. This was 5 years ago. Signed a bunch of NDA papers so shouldn’t talk too much about it.

Have you considered that the demo may have been faked (for example maybe they preprogrammed it with room geometry that was acquired some other way)?

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Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by chaostheory » Tue, Oct 12, 2021, 11:46 PM UTC

lostgame wrote: post #142

beambot wrote: post #139

> According to IDC, the AR/VR market is expected to grow to nearly $140 billion by the end of 2024. That number seems wildly exaggerated... unless I'm missing something?

Yeah, seems way too high. I recently got an Oculus Quest 2 and was immediately stunned by the dearth of content that exists on the platform. AR/VR is a hard sell, still; besides the initial experience - and as a dev in the AR/VR industry I'm honestly waiting for when we can get rid of the screen door effect in VR and better solutions to the lighting problem in AR.

dearth of content? What are you looking for that's not there?

The Quest 2 also doesn't have a noticeable screen door effect since it uses an LCD screen. The trade off is black is washed out. imo the screen door effect is only noticeable on older VR HMDs that use OLED like the first Quest.

Are you sure that you have a Quest 2 headset?

Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by disqard » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 12:31 AM UTC

Animats wrote: post #127

leetrout wrote: post #77

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I do not disagree. They are kinda doing the Tesla approach now (or as of 2019) where they are trying to sell a higher end experience. Their medical demos / apps were really awesome. You could place a virtual cadaver on the physical table. When they work out view sharing that is gonna be amazing for collaboration. They have a dream of "5G cities" where everyone walks around with these things fully connected. I think t…

They have a dream of "5G cities" where everyone walks around with these things fully connected. That's a nightmare. See "Hyperreality"[1], if you haven't. That may be the future of AR. Especially if Facebook is involved. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJg02ivYzSs

I remember seeing this years ago, and feeling like "more people need to watch this".

Thank you for sharing it in this discussion!

Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by phonon » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 12:45 AM UTC

shmatt wrote: post #108

phonon wrote: post #85

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The demo he refers to was not (and could never be) an actual commercial product. It was stationary and the optics were 100x what could fit on a mobile device. What they eventually shipped had very little to do with the tech used in the private demo. Turns out optical physics is not like software...

Which makes another tweet of his even weirder. Someone questioned the plausibility of making that demo mobile >it’s perfectly clear. Just not public. https://twitter.com/benedictevans/status/656667935205797888 The only difference between 2015 ML and Theranos is that faking tech in healthcare is just a lot more illegal. If they promised investors there was a definite plan the demo becomes a real product, and knew that…

I'm sure the VC with an MA in History asked the correct probing questions.

"Will you be scaling this down to mobile size/weight?"

"Yes."

Well, all done then...

Sure they could sue. And ruin the company, which already spent the money. Better to let it ride, at a minimum.

Re: My first year at Magic Leap and the opportunity ahead

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Post by systemvoltage » Wed, Oct 13, 2021, 12:54 AM UTC

tsimionescu wrote: post #135

systemvoltage wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw it during an interview at Ft Lauderdale. I was interviewing for the optics metrology engineer position. It was as mind blowing as the op is stating. Absolutely stunning. This was 5 years ago. Signed a bunch of NDA papers so shouldn’t talk too much about it.

Allow us who haven't experienced it to highly doubt this. At the very best it looks like nifty tech that would be fun to play around with for a couple of hours until the novelty wears off, no more than that.

Edit: I removed my comments due to obvious reasons.