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Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by smoldesu »

stefandesu wrote: post #124
Jeaye wrote: post #29

It's tough to diff the privacy between Android and iOS, as an OS. However, as an app ecosystem, it's not tough at all. For example, there is not a single open source email app on iOS which supports GPG email. In the iOS app ecosystem, privacy and FLOSS is an afterthought, since iOS users are more likely to pay for proprietary software. On Android, there are a lot more options, including things like F-Droid which are…

As an iOS user, I would love to have something like F-Droid for iOS. That might also increase the amount of open-source iOS apps since it would be easier to publish them. (I expect that the mandatory developer account holds people in the open source community back when it comes to iOS.)

i like your name hehe

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Post by imwillofficial »

Mikeb85 wrote: post #147
imwillofficial wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean they are doing what they are legally required to do by the government? Of course they are. They are also working around the margins to improve privacy. Google is not. How many promises has apple broken? #stuffyoumadeup

Have you been sleeping for the last half year? It was on the front page of HN a bunch of times. Even this, from an Apple fanboy website: https://www.macobserver.com/columns-opinions/devils-advocate...

What promise did Apple break with CASM? I fully support it. As designed, it shows Apple goes out of their way to protect privacy as much as they do children from being exploited. I proper balance of interests.

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by imwillofficial »

smoldesu wrote: post #146
imwillofficial wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You mean they are doing what they are legally required to do by the government? Of course they are. They are also working around the margins to improve privacy. Google is not. How many promises has apple broken? #stuffyoumadeup

> You mean they are doing what they are legally required to do by the government? Of course they are. Well that cut-and-dries it then, I'll be sticking with Android/Linux until Apple puts up a meaningful resistance to government surveillance.

“I’ll stick with the phone made by a company that makes their money off of spying on me.” Ok, sure. Have fun.

Re: Are iPhones Better for Privacy? Comparative Study of iOS and Android Apps

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Post by imwillofficial »

doc_gunthrop wrote: post #148
imwillofficial wrote: post #145

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You missed my point. With an adversary that sophisticated, the actual method of compromise doesn’t matter. If he had an android the result would have been the same. Or a flip phone, or a landline, or if he lived in a cave.

Your point is that the device doesn't matter. If Khashoggi and his fiance had Android devices and used an encrypted messaging app such as Signal (or something similar like Session, Briar, etc.) his abduction would not have occurred as it did (even if MBS and his cohorts had control of an operator at the telecom). As I said, the zero-click exploit is exclusive to iPhones using iMessage. An Android device that receives…

No, it doesn’t.

It was said that He would be alive if He wasn’t using an iPhone. This is stupid.

The end objective is that Saudi Intel wanted him dead.

If He used Android, an Android zero day might have been used, of which there are many.

In this case, He used an iPhone. A different phone, or no phone, would have made no difference to a state level actor.

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Post by EastOfTruth »

AnonHP wrote: post #113
EastOfTruth wrote: post #98

I'd say that Apple is more deceptive about the iPhone privacy then Google is of Android devices.

And your claim would be dubious and questionable because it’s not backed by details worth knowing or arguing about.

I'll point you to this comment as a start: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28840842
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