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Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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I am pretty sure I read something similar before. Probably from Benedict Evans or somewhere else. I think the most important issue from these email isn't the lack of Alternative App Store, IAP, or 70/30 split. It is that Apple Execs has Zero understanding of how other business works especially with respect to Internet or Software Services. They continue to think Netflix as a physical product ( As they often like to c…

For comparison Netflix spends about $1.2 Billion dollars per year on AWS (Amazon Web Services). Their total revenue last year was 27.5B. So that means that AWS fees account for 4.3% of Netflix's revenue. AWS is streaming video, operating hundreds of edge location CDN locations, and everything else running on expensive server infrastructure. AWS has real serious costs with offering that service, to the point that Netf…

> AWS is streaming video, operating hundreds of edge location CDN locations, and everything else running on expensive server infrastructure. AWS has real serious costs with offering that service, to the point that Netflix has yet to determine that it is better to build it themselves.

Not sure if you made some typos, but ...

Netflix does not stream from AWS, and never has. It used to use outsourced CDNs, has now its own CDN.

This seems to be a long-running misunderstanding on HN. Anybody who knows AWS' egress costs knows better.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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post #83

I am pretty sure I read something similar before. Probably from Benedict Evans or somewhere else. I think the most important issue from these email isn't the lack of Alternative App Store, IAP, or 70/30 split. It is that Apple Execs has Zero understanding of how other business works especially with respect to Internet or Software Services. They continue to think Netflix as a physical product ( As they often like to c…

What does IAP stand for in this context?

In-App Purchase

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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post #83

I am pretty sure I read something similar before. Probably from Benedict Evans or somewhere else. I think the most important issue from these email isn't the lack of Alternative App Store, IAP, or 70/30 split. It is that Apple Execs has Zero understanding of how other business works especially with respect to Internet or Software Services. They continue to think Netflix as a physical product ( As they often like to c…

For comparison Netflix spends about $1.2 Billion dollars per year on AWS (Amazon Web Services). Their total revenue last year was 27.5B. So that means that AWS fees account for 4.3% of Netflix's revenue. AWS is streaming video, operating hundreds of edge location CDN locations, and everything else running on expensive server infrastructure. AWS has real serious costs with offering that service, to the point that Netf…

> Apple is wildly delusional on the value that they provide.

I haven't studied it, so I'm speaking out of turn, but I'm thinking that it's cheap for smaller players and expensive for larger ones, and not as a smooth function. NFLX is well past the knee in the curve I guess.

If you buy that, then it's unfair to say Apple is delusional about their value add. On average it's probably fair within reason.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Netflix doesn’t want their content to show up in apple TV search because they don’t want to give access to their user’s data to Apple. It’s a terrible anti-consumer decision and frankly it was one of the last straws that led me back to piracy after many years. All I wanted was a universal search for content instead of having to go into each provider’s app. I am now using Plex/Sonarr/Radarr and it works flawlessly, a…

Apple, refusing to share their user data with others: "Great. Pro privacy. Pro user." Netflix, refusing to share their user data with Apple: "Terrible. Anti-consumer. Last straw."

It’s not sharing. It’s just making it searchable - aka the catalog and link back. The second feature is the ability to continue/resume from the Home Screen. That requires sharing playback information. However, there’s no indication that Apple mines this information. On the other hand, it’s extremely useful to me as a user. This is the primary reason I don’t use Netflix much these days and I have a premium subscription. It’s so easy for me to reach to HBO Max or Hulu than Netflix.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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post #83

I am pretty sure I read something similar before. Probably from Benedict Evans or somewhere else. I think the most important issue from these email isn't the lack of Alternative App Store, IAP, or 70/30 split. It is that Apple Execs has Zero understanding of how other business works especially with respect to Internet or Software Services. They continue to think Netflix as a physical product ( As they often like to c…

That's interesting. As a developer I've often felt outright hostility coming from Apple developer relations, and maybe it's this lack of a partnership mentality. They generally treat end users really well, but it's like they see external developers as some sort of parasite feeding on their products. In my experience it's difficult to get actual technical help unless you personally know someone internal to Apple.

If you're lucky you can get a WWDC lab session.

However, I suspect Apple developer relations has largely turned into a broadcast/funnel system since 1:1 support doesn't scale well to millions of developers.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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For comparison Netflix spends about $1.2 Billion dollars per year on AWS (Amazon Web Services). Their total revenue last year was 27.5B. So that means that AWS fees account for 4.3% of Netflix's revenue. AWS is streaming video, operating hundreds of edge location CDN locations, and everything else running on expensive server infrastructure. AWS has real serious costs with offering that service, to the point that Netf…

>AWS is streaming video, operating hundreds of edge location CDN locations, and everything else running on expensive server infrastructure. AWS has real serious costs with offering that service, to the point that Netflix has yet to determine that it is better to build it themselves. Somewhat off the core topic, but netflix run their own CDN (I also don't see any evidence for that 1.2 billion AWS bill figure, can you…

I'm not sure Netflix Open Connect counts as a CDN? They might still use distributed servers from AWS.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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I wonder why Netflix don’t want their content to be searchable in Apple’s TV app: > “Since TV App is not going to happen right now, there’s nothing else to get from Netflix at this time” The TV App is actually pretty great — one of the few parts of the Apple ecosystem where the garden walls are very low. I can search for a TV show or film, and even when the iTunes Store has it available, TV still suggests I watch it…

Since picking up an Apple TV, my Netflix consumption is down to zero. Everything else is right there in the main UI, and it provides zero incentive for me to open their app.

At least from my perspective, Netflix really dropped the ball on this decision.

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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Sure, but why limit this to tech companies? Let's also apply this to banks, landlords, governments, grocery chains, and employers in general. Why should I not get the best wages, negotiated employment agreement, interest rates, lease terms, and deal with the IRS on taxes that I really don't want to pay as my most successful peer? Banks bend over backwards for their VIP customers, why shouldn't they do the same for me…

You snark, but legally preventing banks from offering better rates to favored clients would probably be a good thing for society and the banks themselves. After all, plenty of charming and well liked clients have turned out to be terrible credit risks.

Credit scores are a very good thing. Someone who pays their bills on time shouldn’t have to pay the same rate as someone who always skips the bill, and without them, every loan would have 10% interest at least, even for mortgages

Re: Apple execs describe a “unique arrangement” with Netflix (2018)

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post #83

I am pretty sure I read something similar before. Probably from Benedict Evans or somewhere else. I think the most important issue from these email isn't the lack of Alternative App Store, IAP, or 70/30 split. It is that Apple Execs has Zero understanding of how other business works especially with respect to Internet or Software Services. They continue to think Netflix as a physical product ( As they often like to c…

What does IAP stand for in this context?

in-app purchase, i believe
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