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NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

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Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interoperability out of the box with protocols for escrow/dispute and resolution without having to solely trust the company issuing the nft ticket, esp with PII (I'm thinking hotel/bnb bookings, I know of a DAO[0][1] that has already partnered with a few places in europe and facilitated this). Just have to walk in, sign a message with the address that holds the nft and then you have access to the space for the durati…

I still don't understand why this needs to be decentralised? > without having to solely trust the company issuing the nft ticket For the transaction yes, but what about the thing you are buying? Perhaps I am not thinking creatively enough, but I can't think of a use case where there isn't ultimately some trust required other than solely digital assets. Using your hotel example, you will end up at the hotel where they…

> Perhaps I am not thinking creatively enough

Perhaps, but its ok either way, it's not really limiting the DAO or the places leveraging the DAO to pursue this stuff.

> Using your hotel example, you will end up at the hotel where they can choose to honor your ticket in the same way as their traditional booking system. There was no need for this to be on a distributed ledger as the asset (a hotel stay) was between you and the hotel.

Its not just about honoring the ticket for the duration of any particular booking, but also mitigating the risk between multiple parties and being able to easily integrate such information with as many decentralized protocols are needed for the parties involved without extra dev overhead to connect them.

For some places, you need to have a card on file in case of damages (this is where the decentralized escrow/dispute and resolution protocol come in) and rely soley on visa/mastercard and the hotel unilaterally being able to say that you were the cause of an issue that may come up or being able to decided whether or not you are on the hook.

Incentivized actors (these need not be people, it could be automated, but since everything has an address, no one can tell the difference) of those other protocols on chain need visibility with the address that held the nft. So yes, its trust the protocols and incentives associated with them around handling dispute and resolution and non custodial locking of collateral in escrow (or allowing another protocol to time lock collateral on ones behalf).

And this assumes that the place someone buys an nft stay has the in house capability to do all that without using a particualr nft stay protocol (which alot of places dont esp for random bnb) or ok with giving a large cut to airbnb/booking.com/visa etc if they don't.

> You are not cutting out the middle man of some SaaS provider, you are substituting them.

Yes, for code that can take a lot less of the cut than existing SaaS providers (if any at all). A protocol != SaaS provider, even though a SaaS provider could manage a protocol[0], or a protocol can just be an set of immutable contracts deployed on chain, or anything in between.

[0] https://aws1.discourse-cdn.com/standard21/uploads/shinedao/o...

Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

#152

> The venn diagram of NFT haters are almost exact matches of Crypto haters Nonsense. I'm pro-crypto but think NFTs are absolutely idiotic. Scarcity is fundamental to any store of value. There are an infinite number of potential NFTs.

I like to think about NFT as an easy method of buying art from artists. There are many platforms for this with classical purchase mechanics, but as an artist myself, I love the idea of an auction-based platform for this era of digital art. Right now, there are no mechanism for extraordinary digital artists to make their art expensive like IRL art. The best thing is you can do commissions for people, but it's hard for…

It doesn't seem very easy right now, it's complex and expensive for the seller and/or buyer compared to existing services for commissioning art

Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

#153

This would have been more interesting if the author had traced where all the money being plowed into NFTs is coming from. I suspect that most of it does not come from outside of the current ETH (or whatever) ecosystem. I'd bet that most of the volume comes from people who are either treating it as play money, or trying to pump the NFT scam for their own benefit (real or imagined).

Youtube suggested a video to me about what's going on in the collectable video game market. The claim was that there's some collusion between a major auction site and a grader, and some of those players were running a pump and dump.

Unless you know who the buyers and sellers are or transaction fees are high (like an auction at Christie's), you have no idea if the sales are real, so it's pretty easy to make it look like the asset is appreciating when it's really just manufactured hype.

Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> will have all the staying power of a beanie baby. You're making a future prediction about an entire category invoking a specific instance from physical collectibles. Have all physical collectibles been subject to the fate of beanie babies?

Not all, but perhaps all those that appreciated in value so dramatically?

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Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

#155

it's easy to get blinded by the scams and abuses enabled by new technology, but what matters in the long term are the new benefits and use cases. will NFTs last? unclear. however, one benefit is clear and compelling: decentralized royalty capture and IP management. the NBA and other large enterprises could build and manage IP APIs that mimic NFT functionality. but what if you're an individual artist? or what if you'r…

> however, one benefit is clear and compelling: decentralized royalty capture and IP management.

Bzzt. No. This is what NFTs claim they do, not what they actually do.

How do you know that the person creating a NFT has the right to do that? The NFT tracks the chain of ownership for the NFT itself, if the initial person creating the NFT did not own the copyright for the art in question, then the NFT itself is useless.

Second, there is no way for the NFT chain to enforce off-chain actions. If you have the NFT for a copyrightable piece of work and you believe someone is infringing your rights, you must still go to the regular legal courts and sue over it. The NFT itself cannot enforce your IP or collect royalties on your behalf.

Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

#156
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sorry to be pedantic, but it's literally not multi-level-marketing? Specifically, it's missing the multi-level part. Your upline isn't getting $$$ when you sell a NFT. I suppose you can make the argument that if you then take the money and buy more stuff, then your upline gets paid, but that describes most distributor arrangements. Come to think of it, there isn't really even an upline. It's just a network of artists…

It's a pump and dump.

Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

#158
post #27

sorry to be pedantic, but it's literally not multi-level-marketing? Specifically, it's missing the multi-level part. Your upline isn't getting $$$ when you sell a NFT. I suppose you can make the argument that if you then take the money and buy more stuff, then your upline gets paid, but that describes most distributor arrangements. Come to think of it, there isn't really even an upline. It's just a network of artists…

Who convinces people to buy Herbalife? People who have spent a bunch of money on Herbalife.

Who convinces people that NFTs aren't just a fad, they're really innovative and you should consider adding them to your portfolio? Not people who don't own any.

Re: NFT projects are just MLMs for tech elites

#159

As someone who was early in both crypto and NFTs, I really don't get the hate from the crypto community especially. They are a powerful tool for artists and creators to manage their works, especially digital artists who could never control their art before. They can and do manage commercial and IP rights, artist royalties, help self-organize DAOs and other efforts, and assure the authenticity and provenance with a ca…

Crypto hasn’t improved our digital world. It’s made it measurably worse through (among other things) making it trivial to profit from ransomware and DDOS-for-hire services. And of course there’s the indefensible environmental impacts and the destabilizing effect on the market for consumer computing hardware like GPUs.

I don’t doubt there exist people whose lives have been improved (for the time being) by the existence of cryptocurrency, but the overwhelming impact has been a disaster.

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