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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by Aunche »

theandrewbailey wrote: post #22
revolvingocelot wrote: post #4

This is truly wrong. Far from censorship, this is a field test of memory-holing. Deleting a part of the history of the Internet (yes, this silly little nonsense video is now part of Modern Culture) is a Rubicon I'm shocked YouTube has the temerity to cross. I can't wait to see what more conventional history they'll delete. For now, note the conscious blowing-off, on YouTube's part, of all the re-uploads. Will they al…

Not just history of the internet: Youtube takes down videos of war crimes. Destroying or covering up evidence of war crimes is, itself, a war crime. I'm surprised that Youtube isn't in hot water over that. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20170812/01102937985/once-... https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/youtube-ai-deletes-war-cr...

They're deleting a digital copy of evidence of war crimes. It's not like you can prank someone into being a war criminal filling up their storage with war crime videos, so that they're forced to delete it.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by gambler »

rewma wrote: post #83
gambler wrote: post #65

If only Hacker News crowd noticed when thousands of videos with interviews, medical lectures, news footage and even congressional testimonies were removed for political reasons within the last couple years.

> If only Hacker News crowd noticed when thousands of videos with interviews, medical lectures, news footage and even congressional testimonies were removed for political reasons within the last couple years. Do you happen to have any reference that points out which content was removed for political reasons? You're on HN. If said censorship exists then nothing stops you from pointing it on HN.

What exactly do you expect me to link to? A thousand "this video does not exist" pages? YouTube does not track its own moderation. That's part of the problem.

Here are some well-written examples by Matt Taibi:

https://taibbi.substack.com/?sort=search&search=censored

Here is Glenn Greenvald explaining why he moved to Rumble:

https://rumble.com/vl268j-welcome-to-glenn-greenwalds-system...

Note that he doesn't claim he was censored. He just doesn't want to support a platform that censors in general.

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The latest example I've seen directly was a strike against Dr. Mobeen Sayd's channel because he interviewed Pierre Kory. To put it into context, it's a channel from an MD with 10 years worth of educational content. It got a confirmed strike last week because he interviewed another doctor several month ago. There were also 50+ other videos deleted from the channel.

This is the video in question:

https://odysee.com/@DrMobeenSyed:1/dr.-pierre-kory,-ivermect...

Here is YouTube search confirming it does not exist on the original channel anymore:

https://www.youtube.com/c/USMLEOnline/search?query=Dr.%20Pie....)

It's time-consuming to provide these examples and it's impossible to know when people are asking for proof in good faith and when they are just play-acting ignorance.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by anaisbetts »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #105
ZetaZero wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have enough disk space to archive every video I've every watched.

How about the ones you liked? I was thinking about this a few months ago and wish there was some sort of background app that could keep and eye on my YT accounts likes and archive them.

Here it is - https://github.com/bbilly1/tubearchivist

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by mikewarot »

ekianjo wrote: post #84
aluminussoma wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't quit! I'd rather have good, honest people working at Google, instead of them quitting Google. What would Google be like if no good people worked there?

> What would Google be like if no good people worked there? Can it get worse? Because it looks like whatever good guys are left don't have a voice anymore.

>Can it get worse? Because it looks like whatever good guys are left don't have a voice anymore.

Yikes... I can't believe you even typed that... inviting it to happen.

It can always get worse. There's always whistle-blowing, which would stop if all the good people left.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by [deleted] »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #105
ZetaZero wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't have enough disk space to archive every video I've every watched.

How about the ones you liked? I was thinking about this a few months ago and wish there was some sort of background app that could keep and eye on my YT accounts likes and archive them.

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Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by romwell »

silicon2401 wrote: post #138
plainnoodles wrote: post #7

This isn't a great specific example (it's "just" a meme and not even a particularly culturally significant one in the grand scheme of things), but in general this is why projects like youtube-dl are important. It might not be glamorous, and it might be a little stupid, but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. Private companies seem to be the only ones with the resources to store…

> but damnit this is our culture, for better or worse! And we should preserve it. I couldn't agree with this more. It's our culture and it's our life. Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens instead of being in touch with nature and living off the land or pursuing our own passions? Yeah, it is. But it is what it is. We are defined by our experiences, memories, and…

> Is it sad that so much of our lives is defined by consumption of media and staring at screens

Oh, come on. A Youtube video is culture just like ancient Greek plays are culture, or Sumerian cuneiform tablets.

There is an overconsumption problem, but even if it wasn't there, that'd still be the culture that we'd want to at least archive.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by whatshisface »

dylan604 wrote: post #123
la_oveja wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is deeply ignorant of the actual reality. Most content creator are not technically savvy nor have the ability to setup any kind of distribution service. Also, you're missing the whole point of video streaming, which is becoming huge. I've know youtubers that did upload videos as a hobby, but couldn't even afford to keep them locally stored in their hard drives after a few years. Makes the videos less valuable? I…

Not being technically savvy is such a strawman. I'm not missing the point of video streaming. Most of my career is because of video streaming. If you build a house of straw because you're not technically savvy to build it out of brick doesn't mean you get to complain that the wind blew it down even if it was a big bad wolf. If you don't do something right, it's nobody's fault but your own. It's often called growing p…

>If you build a house of straw because you're not technically savvy to build it out of brick doesn't mean you get to complain that the wind blew it down even if it was a big bad wolf.

Let's apply this reasoning to a few other examples. Let's say you live in the jungle, and build your house to jungle building codes. Then, a logging company comes in and dismantles your furniture to make particle board for IKEA products. One could argue that if you were more competent, you'd be able to form a well-armed militia, build land vehicles and air craft, and defend your jungle home against the invaders, who are not infinitely powerful and could be dissuaded by even a reasonably well-run guerilla uprising. One might also argue that that's crazy. ;)

To put it another way, if being a guerilla fighter is the only way to have furniture in the jungle, we wouldn't expect everyone to become guerilla fighters, we'd expect a few people to become guerillas while most people lost their furniture.

Here's another example. Let's say you're a US citizen concerned about civil asset forfeiture. If you were more competent, you would smuggle your wallet across the states where that happens inside of your hubcaps, or maybe in a drone, or perhaps in a shallow-water submarine. On the other hand, it's a bit might-makes-right to assert that only people who can assemble smuggling vehicles have property rights. Again, if that was the way to have property rights, we'd expect a few people to become smugglers and almost everyone else to lose property.

So finally coming back around to the YouTube thing, if we say that the way to have a platform is to build servers, organize communications networks, and arrange payments outside of the usual system, then we would expect a few people, almost all of them criminals, to do that, while most people simply would lose their platform.

Re: YouTube removes “I Can't Believe You've Done This” video from 2007

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Post by msp_yc »

A_non_e-moose wrote: post #69
BoxOfRain wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What's the equivalent for Google? The aurora borealis perhaps? The sun could decide to throw us a particularly nasty geomagnetic storm one day and suddenly Google would go to fearsome tyrant to basically irrelevant overnight. I imagine most of us on HN would be out of a job too!

Aurora Borealis? In this time of the year? (can't wait for this one to get deleted...)

Actually, I kinda think it fits with the topic! You've managed to make an oblique cultural reference to the exact issue at hand:

YouTube users: Can I see it?

Google: ...no.

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