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Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by Maursault »

kelnos wrote: post #145
dragonwriter wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If a girl lists you as the parent on the birth certificate, some places will require you to make child support payments even if you prove that your not the father, never had anything todo with the child, etc. “Some places”? Really, which exactly? The only case I am aware of in any US jurisdiction where child support is required even in the face of proof of biological non-paternity is for children born in wedlock (s…

That's... still pretty terrible. Let me see if I have this right. A man and woman marry. The woman cheats on the man and gets pregnant, but lies about it and passes the kid off as the husband's child. After the birth, husband is suspicious, gets a paternity test, finds out he's not the father, and divorces the mother. And yet the now-ex-husband is still required to pay for child support? If that's a thing that happen…

Yes, divorce based on infidelity of the female due to non-paternity is terrible. If she was just sleeping around, maybe he'd have a point, but if procreation is her goal, then she is merely exercising her evolutionary imperative to ensure genetic diversity and quality of her offspring; having higher-quality offspring could theoretically give her more and healthier grandchildren later. I don't see how non-paternity is damaging to the male in any way, unless he is already mentally ill, iow NPD, which in itself justifies her infidelity and her own grounds for divorce. It just goes to show the institution of marriage is sexist. I'll never understand why a woman would ever want to be married. "fsck studs; get money" is the advice I give to the fairer gender. btw this is the Internet, and I am a straight man that is confident enough not to hold others to my own choice of fidelity for my own relationship. It's her life, she can do as she pleases, and even if I were married to her, it still would be absolutely none of my business.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by emptyparadise »

Maursault wrote: post #151
kelnos wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's... still pretty terrible. Let me see if I have this right. A man and woman marry. The woman cheats on the man and gets pregnant, but lies about it and passes the kid off as the husband's child. After the birth, husband is suspicious, gets a paternity test, finds out he's not the father, and divorces the mother. And yet the now-ex-husband is still required to pay for child support? If that's a thing that happen…

Yes, divorce based on infidelity of the female due to non-paternity is terrible. If she was just sleeping around, maybe he'd have a point, but if procreation is her goal, then she is merely exercising her evolutionary imperative to ensure genetic diversity and quality of her offspring; having higher-quality offspring could theoretically give her more and healthier grandchildren later. I don't see how non-paternity is…

Sir, this is a tech link aggregator.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by refurb »

joncrane wrote: post #98
andrewmg wrote: post #25

Here's more information on the Institute for Justice class action (mentioned in the Twitter thread) that's challenging TSA airport forfeitures: https://ij.org/case/dea-tsa-forfeitures/ IJ is the leader on this issue, and if you oppose civil-forfeiture abuse, you might consider supporting IJ's work. (Disclosure: the IJ attorney pictured in the thread is a friend whom I admire greatly.)

It blows my mind that citizens have to pay their own money to support organizations like IJ, ACLU, Amnesty International, etc.

Why? You expect the government, who is infringing on your rights, to do it?

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by fy20 »

biztos wrote: post #129
bserge wrote: post #7

Can't get paid more than 1500 in cash in France. 2000 Pounds is "a lot of money" to exchange in the UK. The limits are suspiciously higher if you're well dressed and stepping out of an expensive car or moving millions. Tells you how pathetically poor the poor really are.

Meanwhile, in the eastern parts of the EU, it’s totally common to transact tens of thousands of Euros in cash, with lawyers preparing the contracts and observing the counting of the cash, especially for real estate. Less common but not exactly rare in Spain, I would assume also Greece and Portugal. Can’t comment of France but in Germany it would be really weird, though probably legal.

I'm building a house, and throughout the process have kept petty cash of €10k for when we receive a bill. Most people will accept a bank transfer, but you need to pay extra - suspiciously the extra amount is always equal to the amount of income tax they'd need to pay ;-)

The government have tried to crack down on this by increasing ATM fees and imposing daily limits, but I don't think it will really change anything.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by willcipriano »

Y_Y wrote: post #132
BiteCode_dev wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you make 4%?

Under law you currently get the "federal short-term rate" + 3%

Step one: Overpay by enough that 4% of the total is your entire tax burden.

Step two: Pay no taxes for few decades, adding funds as required.

Step three: Withdraw your capital and retire.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by Maursault »

hakfoo wrote: post #142
mywittyname wrote: post #57

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People trust cash. A lot of people dealing in used goods only accept cash. It's substantially more difficult to forge a load of $100s than it is to forge a money order. All you need to verify a stack of $100 bills is a $5 marker.

I collect coins. Many dealers are cash-only, especially for items where they're trading near bullion value. The 3% or so transaction fee is pretty much your entire margin if you're dealing with a commodity 1oz gold coin. I've been hoping to go to one of the big national-attraction bourses after the Covid crisis ends (all the budget not spent on vacations in 2020 and 2021 would pay for a nice $3 gold piece) but I've b…

> Since we have no large notes anymore, trying to pack fifty Franklins in my wallet is going to be pretty obvious when you put it in the little X-ray bowl.

Something like this[1] may help.

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Travel-Security-Hidden-Money-Pocket/d...

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by kragen »

loloquwowndueo wrote: post #30
kragen wrote: post #18

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My experience is the opposite. I can open up my wallet and take out a $1000 bill* in about three seconds; if change is due, that typically takes about another ten seconds. Paying with a credit card takes about a minute, four to ten times less convenient, except a significant percentage of the time the time " no hay sistema " and it just doesn't work, and sooner or later your credit card number gets sold to the Russia…

Gee man, it sounds like you live in quite the hell hole. Move to a decent country, you’ll be happier.

Argentina definitely has its disadvantages, but there are advantages too. Healthcare access is universal. University education is free and open to everyone, and although most of the universities are not that great (and none are R1), there are two world-class universities. It's illegal to arrest people for using or having recreational drugs—not generally my thing, but it wasn't Breonna Taylor's thing either, and in the US the laws give the police free rein to loot houses and kill people with the excuse of looking for recreational drugs. The homeless people here are afraid of other homeless people, not the cops like in the US, and actually there is vastly less homelessness because of less rigorous enforcement of building permits. We have the best ice cream in the world, the best empanadas in the world, and the best thieves in the world. Public transit here is better than any of the numerous places I lived in the US, almost as good as in New York. There are single blocks of Buenos Aires with more bookstores than most entire cities in the US. Raising kids is a reasonable thing to do in Argentina; in the US the shittiest people harass you if you breastfeed in public.

The biggest advantage, though, is that when the covid pandemic hit, the people in the US went totally nuts, saying that the government is controlled by a secret Satanic cabal of pedophiles who sacrifice children to drink their blood, that masks cause covid, that the vaccines are fatal, and all kinds of nonsense like that. Europe doesn't seem to be coping that much better. Here in Argentina, meh, it's just another crisis. It's shitty but not as bad as the crisis in the 70s when military dictators overthrew the democratic government, outlawed playing cards, and started rounding up their political opposition and dropping them out of airplanes. I literally don't know anyone who got raped because of covid, much less murdered.

But yeah credit card transactions can take a minute or two, the economy sucks, and ordering things from overseas is difficult and risky.

It's been pretty helpful in gaining perspective on the bullshit I grew up with in the US.

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by klyrs »

q1w2 wrote: post #137
8note wrote: post #133

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Uncontested can mean two different things, either the action was right, or even if it's wrong, you won't get your stuff back. Also, you can't skip work to go contest it because you won't be able to pay your bills. I'd guess that one covers most cases and that police target people who can't afford to take time off to go to court

You have to show up to court to defend yourself. This is an unfortunate reality of the world. ...but poor folks working hourly jobs that cannot schedule a day off - are not usually the people having tens of thousands of dollars in cash seized.

It might not be just one day. When it's the TSA, you're getting robbed at an airport, so roughly 50% of the time, nowhere near where you live. So it's a few days' trip, plus airfair, probably a hotel, plus finding a lawyer to represent you, plus legal fees. And that's if you're confident that you can prove your innocence -- which is an immensely backwards notion of justice. Also, interacting with the legal system in this manner is irresistible bait for cops -- folks are rightly intimidated, because cops can generally make your life hell through perfectly legal procedures.

And, actually, poor people frequently don't trust banks and will keep their life savings in cash. That can easily be tens of thousands of dollars, it only takes putting away $500 a year for 20 years. Do you think they're gonna have adequate records to prove that all of that was legal income?

Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by [deleted] »

kragen wrote: post #18
lotsofpulp wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People, generally, want to be able to pay electronically too. It is very convenient.

My experience is the opposite. I can open up my wallet and take out a $1000 bill* in about three seconds; if change is due, that typically takes about another ten seconds. Paying with a credit card takes about a minute, four to ten times less convenient, except a significant percentage of the time the time " no hay sistema " and it just doesn't work, and sooner or later your credit card number gets sold to the Russia…

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Re: TSA’s “See cash, seize cash” policy

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Post by dudul »

SkipperCat wrote: post #121

Why would you carry that much cash? I know he has every right to do so, but there are a lot of bad players out there (TSA included) and I would not want to risk it. You could deposit the money in a national bank (JPM, BoA, etc), call ahead and plan the withdraw from a local branch. I'm sure there are other players in this marker who would only charge a few grand to provide you the cash on site if you had the money in…

> Why would you carry that much cash? I know he has every right to do so,

Well there you go. You answered your own question. He had every right to do so, so he did it. End of story.

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