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Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Drama? Didn't the SF DA stop enforcing laws on theft under some arbitrary but quite large value? I would not call it an exaggeration.

Heads up, this article is about NYC bikers, and NYC has actually increased police budgets lately.

The budget doesn't matter when activist DAs are refusing to prosecute, and there are top down orders for catch and release, ostensibly because of covid.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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I live in a pretty safe suburb in the United States so I'm fine with packages left at my front door. In 20 years I have never had a package stolen. For high value packages that require a signature I have them redirected to a UPS or FedEx store 1-2 miles from my house. This can be done by making a UPS or FedEx account which allows you to redirect packages. I can then pick them up after work and the line is never more…

> I can then pick them up after work and the line is never more than 1 or 2 people. That's the part that really surprises me. In my experience picking up missed packages from the post office, they're completely empty 90% of the day, but after work, the line is out to the street! And given that my transaction (present a pick-up slip - wait for employee to find package in the back - sign for package) is mostly trivial,…

I was specifically talking about picking up packages at FedEx and UPS retail store locations not the USPS (United States Postal Service)

The USPS usually has a line of 5-10 people and takes me 30 minutes but I go there about twice a year.

FedEx and UPS are quick for me.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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It's always strange to read these reports from American cities that sound like something out of war-torn countries. Delivery workers grouping together to defend themselves against hordes of bandits, in well-known places, with no police protection? What the ...? This sort of thing would be unthinkable in central Moscow and most other large European city centres (the only European city I've ever felt unsafe in is Bruss…

Burglary and violence are not specific to American cities. Implying that they are "unthinkable" in large European cities is borderline flame bait.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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So let me get this straight - it's a bad deal for the restaurants, it's an increasingly bad deal for the deliverymen and it depends on VCs subsidizing it to even work? How did something like this even get funded? I mean, I could understand if the development costs were being funded by VC money, but actual deliveries? Even if one company were to actually dominate the market, it would still need to continue subsidizing…

The hope for most of the investors is to undercut the competition out of business, build customer loyalty and then hike prices as far as I can tell. Which seems to miss that even if they succeed at doing that to the incumbents, they're then vulnerable to the next investor's subsidised business doing the same to them.

>they're then vulnerable to the next investor's subsidised business doing the same to them

It happens rarely nowadays unless they change something notably about their offering or the next investor is a major corporation that couldn't buy out the smaller player.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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It's always strange to read these reports from American cities that sound like something out of war-torn countries. Delivery workers grouping together to defend themselves against hordes of bandits, in well-known places, with no police protection? What the ...? This sort of thing would be unthinkable in central Moscow and most other large European city centres (the only European city I've ever felt unsafe in is Bruss…

Burglary and violence are not specific to American cities. Implying that they are "unthinkable" in large European cities is borderline flame bait.

I don't really think so. Americans often project this "no-go areas" type thinking onto europe. I'm not aware of any "no-go" areas anywhere in the country.

I think a ban on guns, and eg., an extreme historical scarcity of them in the UK means we aren't in the same position at all.

Yes there may be gangs. Yes there may be murders. But I think people delivering food on bikes arent in danger basically anywhere.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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If Chicago, San Francisco, and Minneapolis all jump off a bridge NYC should too?

Are you saying that we shouldn’t control for a coordinated national change in murder rate when evaluating the impact a mayor’s specific policies have had on their city?

Anti-police policies are not exclusive to the NYC though. If you want to control you need to show that murders also rise in the cities that don't have the same policies. Chicago, SF, Minneapolis don't appear a sensible choice for a control group in this regard.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Food delivery cyclists in Norway went on strike and were able to secure status as employees and tariff agreements a couple of years ago.

Sad to see they succeeded in obtaining a legal right to restrict other people's right to freely contract, and an indoctrinated public passively accepts it.

Why do you think they did?

Usually what is the case is that they use these people as workers (Making it so that they can't set their own rates or contract freely like someone who isn't an employee could) but then call them something else to avoid workers protections and liabilities.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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It's always strange to read these reports from American cities that sound like something out of war-torn countries. Delivery workers grouping together to defend themselves against hordes of bandits, in well-known places, with no police protection? What the ...? This sort of thing would be unthinkable in central Moscow and most other large European city centres (the only European city I've ever felt unsafe in is Bruss…

Not war-torn, more like lawless wastelands. Cops don't really stop crime, the get their ticket quota and then if they have to follow up on other crime, they may show up and take a report.

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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It's always strange to read these reports from American cities that sound like something out of war-torn countries. Delivery workers grouping together to defend themselves against hordes of bandits, in well-known places, with no police protection? What the ...? This sort of thing would be unthinkable in central Moscow and most other large European city centres (the only European city I've ever felt unsafe in is Bruss…

Spoiler alert: the murder rate in Russia is 40% higher than in the US, and that's despite the very different gun laws [1][2].

Nothing ruins a good story like facts. That's also why you should always raise before you launch or enter a new market, etc. People are suckers for a story, and our brains are pre-wired to explain phenomena rather than to question them. Once you master that psychology (and manipulation) of people, you'll be better at fundraising - and apparently at journalism as well!

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Russia [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_the_United_States

Re: Revolt of the Delivery Workers

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Food delivery cyclists in Norway went on strike and were able to secure status as employees and tariff agreements a couple of years ago.

Sad to see they succeeded in obtaining a legal right to restrict other people's right to freely contract, and an indoctrinated public passively accepts it.

Going on strike was the freely chosen decision of the delivery workers. Their employer freely chose to meet their demands rather than going out of business. Sure, the bosses might have preferred to pay independent contractors pennies to work 90 hours a week and destroy their own health, but in just societies that isn't an option.
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