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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by phkahler »

notatoad wrote: post #144
zelphirkalt wrote: post #85

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That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. If we want good content und independence from YouTube, perhaps it is time to see, that it might cost us a tiny bit of money each month, to uphold our freedom. One rented server can easily support many users, each of those can chip in to finance renting the server. It can be done trans…

>perhaps it is time to see, that it might cost us a tiny bit of money each month that's still "generating revenue". maybe not profit, but servers and bandwidth cost non-trivial amounts of money and somebody has to pay for that. whether it's donations, or user-fees, or ads, or private benefactors, the revenue has to come from somewhere. but if a video service has no answer as to how it can sustain itself, it's questio…

Use your unused upstream bandwidth. Like bit torrent for video.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by hsuduebc2 »

CharlesW wrote: post #143
zelphirkalt wrote: post #85

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That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. If we want good content und independence from YouTube, perhaps it is time to see, that it might cost us a tiny bit of money each month, to uphold our freedom. One rented server can easily support many users, each of those can chip in to finance renting the server. It can be done trans…

> That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. From a purely-technical lens, that may not seem like a fatal flaw. When viewed through a whole-product lens, it is. PeerTube's anonymous, censor-proof nature is enough to attract a certain class of content that repels advertisers, but then what? Until the dark side of distributed te…

Well. Wikipedia did.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by kragen »

SilverRed wrote: post #132
vadfa wrote: post #129

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Blizzard used to distribute updates using bittorrent before the advent of CDNs.

Everyone used to but almost no company does anymore. It's easier and more effective to just let each ISP cache the content of highly downloaded files.

You mean, pay Fastly or Cloudflare to run your swarm for you, instead of running it yourself on your users' computers?

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by kragen »

ekianjo wrote: post #131
Barrin92 wrote: post #82

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because people want to download illegal movies and porn, or host linux isos as a service for the commons. There's practically no commercial activity around torrents because it's an incredibly inefficient way to serve large amounts of data.

> illegal movies What's illegal movies?

Maybe Barrin92 is in the People's Republic of China, where movies criticizing the government are illegal.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by SilverRed »

kragen wrote: post #153
SilverRed wrote: post #132

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Everyone used to but almost no company does anymore. It's easier and more effective to just let each ISP cache the content of highly downloaded files.

You mean, pay Fastly or Cloudflare to run your swarm for you, instead of running it yourself on your users' computers?

Which isn't too expensive if you have paying customers. Doesn't make people angry when they are on data cap or trying to do something else on their network. Also doesn't have to deal with endless NAT and middlebox issues.

But often ISPs will willingly host the content for free since it saves them money as well. Steam and netflix have caches inside ISP datacenters.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by equality_1138 »

spijdar wrote: post #24
judge2020 wrote: post #18

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A lot of people see the usefulness of PeerTube but don't move because the creators they watch are on YouTube. It's the same for the creators, though - they can't move off of YouTube entirely, because none of their viewers will go to a PeerTube instance just to watch that one creator. Thus nobody moves to PT unless there are other factors (like extremist creators moving because their videos keep getting removed by YT)…

This is my big pet peeve with people who describe Youtube's demonetization policies as "censorship" and propose Peertube as a replacement. I'm not going to get entangled in the question of what responsibility big social media has and what it should or shouldn't do about giving people platforms, but I will say that if you believe demonetization and being de-prioritized in youtube's discovery algorithms is being deplat…

I think when certain very talented creators get "demonetized" and they have a bad experience with customer service trying to understand why, and maybe suspect the criteria changed without they're knowing, it's relatively understandable to over-react and say their hard work was censored, even if knowing it doesn't meet the legal standard. I wouldn't let it bother you so much.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by devrand »

mastazi wrote: post #147
cirenehc wrote: post #96

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A significant portion of content creators do it as a full time job. Ads is a stable revenue stream for these content creators. You as a consumer are free to move to any decentralized video platform you like, but the main bottleneck for any significant shift in market share depends on content creators, and ultimately, on advertisers.

> Ads is a stable revenue stream for these content creators. Ads are a revenue stream mostly for the platform e.g. YouTube itself. You can have a look at this[1] or any other "how my YouTube channel makes money" video to see that's the case. In-video ads, on the other hand, are indeed a significant revenue stream for creators, but those have nothing to do with the platform and everything to do with the single creator…

According to the video you linked, AdSense and in-video ads are basically tied for income (26 and 27% respectively). Both of those are significant sources of income!

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by MathCodeLove »

mattl wrote: post #114
the_third_wave wrote: post #110

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> How do we get good content from a platform that is explicitly copyleft? The same way we get good software from a ´community´ which is explicitly copyleft. > Will the vast majority of creators use this even as a backup? The best way to use platforms like Peertube and Odysee is by using it as a primary source, with Youtube and Vimeo essentially playing the role of CDN. Should the censors not like your video for $reas…

I think that’s a bad idea because I don’t want people to think watching video on a computer is okay. Video (movies) should be enjoyed on a big screen with a good screen. These platforms should give creators a way to prohibit viewing on small screens, Linux, etc.

Is this satire?

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by browningstreet »

gabereiser wrote: post #135
judge2020 wrote: post #134

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A large amount of small creators do this today only because YouTube is a free service . A lot of people will use their free time to make videos, but not if a portion of their disposable income has to be dedicated to hosting them.

Time is never free my friend. There’s always a cost model at play.

So much goodness out there exists in spite of this. Local model railroad clubs is one that comes to mind. I’d rather that than Walmart, which has mastered its cost model.
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