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Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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when did "In-browser screenshot tool" become a key feature, seems like a job that most operating systems handle quite well. Anyone who uses this feature, feel free to chime in.

Try taking an in-browser screenshot of your about:config or options tabs.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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At home I only use Firefox (on my Linux machines). For many (not all) sites Firefox is actually the fastest choice.

Being reminded today I also just installed Firefox on my - relatively new - work machine. Somehow I am more tolerant there running Chrome than on my own machines.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Thanks for explaining your position. I'll try to explain in some more detail why this is a problem and how governments has stepped in before: > Abuse of market power would be preventing the mention of any other browser when using search and Google has never done that. Another way to abuse market power is to use ones dominance in one maket to crush competition in another market. Microsoft was punished for this after t…

The point with my reply is that you have enough to point out about the Chrome situation without having to resort to tenuous claims or outright falsehoods. Google had to have had the better product otherwise you wouldn't have been introduced to Chrome by using their search engine.

> without having to resort to tenuous claims or outright falsehoods.

Do you mean that tree style tabs now works on Chrome or that everyone agrees that Chromes memory issues have been sorted? Or something else?

> Google had to have had the better product otherwise you wouldn't have been introduced to Chrome by using their search engine.

Maybe ten or fifteen years ago this was true.

These days it is so broken you can search for a literal term and get all spam and no ham.

Also ads are exempt from that anyway and these ads in particular were probably hard coded since no other ads has ever been shown in that spot.

Edit, some more details:

The reason Chrome leads is kind of the same as why IE dominated the marked for years:

- a generally good browser (IE was best for a long time)

- strategic incompatibility on core web assets: MSDN for Microsoft (worked nicely if you changes request headers in Opera to simulate IE), various web properties for Google

- enough non standard hacks that people who just slap together code and only test in IE/Chrome might easily include some IE/Chrome-specific hack

- carpet bombing of the market: In Microsofts case by bundling it with all new PCs, in Googles case by massive ad campaigns, including smothering the otherwise always clean and minimal front page(!) with Chrome ads.

- Also by adding it to shareware/freeware installers

- In Microsofts case also by shadyd deals with others about not including competing browsers. (Not confirmed in Googles case, yet ;-)

There is a reason why we old timers say "Chrome is the new IE".

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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I still ask myself: has FF browser share actually dropped that much, or has FF's privacy focus caused browser share estimates to mostly miss FF users in their counts? Most of these stats come from the exact kind of skeevy companies that I (and many other FireFox users) are using FireFox to avoid.

Firefox users avoiding those tracking sites would result in an always low user share, it would not really explain the user share dropping. Maybe an increase in privacy minded users could explain a percent or two, but not most of the drop.

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Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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I'd like to mention (once again), that Firefox on Android is a huge leap in everyday browsing experience over Chrome - and you should try it if you haven't. Due to mainly one reason: ad blocker extensions; which aren't supported on Chrome. Since that's where most users are, I hope Mozilla will be able to communicate these advantages better. Chrome is arguably better on the desktop for most users, unless they're in th…

I prefer Firefox for Android as well, but there is a Chromium fork called Bromite which has adblocking built in, too.

Kiwi supports extensions on Android...

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Too many distractions from Mozilla (Firefox OS, VPN etc and a complete dissonance from the core- browser. It doesn't help when senior management takes fat bonuses and fires away employees during the pandemic. That doesn't make for pleasant optics and also distanced me away from their product.

You can't really blame management when even one this page there are plenty of non-management people calling for Mozilla having other revenue sources.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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Are the three headline features important to you? They are: - Picture in Picture - Expanded Dark Mode - DNS over HTTPs I really like Firefox, but features like this are not going to cause people to switch browsers. I'm pretty sure most end users would never even notice them. DNS over HTTPs is actually a bit of a pain if you want to host your own DNS.

Not nearly as important as some indication of whether or not the window is currently active. I have absolutely no idea why the FF devs decided that that little tidbit of information doesn't matter to anybody.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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This happens often. A shitty opinion is usually down voted but at some point, if nobody's replied yet, then nobody can point out in words how shitty that opinion is, or prompt them for some further explanation.

Is it a shitty opinion? How or why?

I wasn't asserting that it was a shitty opinion, but that in its form at the time, would get down-voted. Instead you got flagged. Or both. And I was genuinely interested in hearing a more-substantive take on the matter from you. But hey, ship... sailed.

Re: Firefox Browser: best for a free web

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The point with my reply is that you have enough to point out about the Chrome situation without having to resort to tenuous claims or outright falsehoods. Google had to have had the better product otherwise you wouldn't have been introduced to Chrome by using their search engine.

> without having to resort to tenuous claims or outright falsehoods. Do you mean that tree style tabs now works on Chrome or that everyone agrees that Chromes memory issues have been sorted? Or something else? > Google had to have had the better product otherwise you wouldn't have been introduced to Chrome by using their search engine. Maybe ten or fifteen years ago this was true. These days it is so broken you can s…

Funny how you say 'we old timers' when you remind me exactly of the same sniveling types who whined about everything "Micro$uck" etc... on Slashdot back in the day... It's tiresome and doesn't contribute one bit when you defeat any points you may legitimately have with all that griping. What's the point in tossing out the age card here? Being smug is a sign of immaturity, not wisdom. So you may call yourself an old timer here but it seems you haven't grown up, either.

A company putting an ad on their own website for their own product isn't an abuse of market position. That's the falsehood I'm referring to.

Everything else that you keep tossing back in as "do you mean..." is an attempt to evade that point that I made and to put words in my mouth.

Don't trust Google? Don't like Chrome? Don't use it. It's not like we've only got one bundled browser to work with these days. Even if it's crypotrash mining and referral link hijacking software like Brave. That's better, right? Or Apple's stagnant Safari. Or... Perhaps you'd be more comfortable in Lynx or Mosaic. They work as well now as they used to then.

So. Yeah. Chrome has market share because it continues to remain better than the alternatives. Not really that difficult of a concept, methinks.

The difference between then (IE/Windows Bundling) and now (Chrome/Google Advertising Might) is that we still get everything Google releases as open source. Use de-Googled Chromium and move then fuck on with your life.

Get off my lawn, punk.

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