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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by flutterwascrap »

marcodiego wrote: post #66
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

Microsoft has no threat on the desktop. Apple has a respectable slice but still small compared to Microsoft. With regard to linux... well, if ME, Vista and 8 couldn't bring it into a good position, I don't know what would.

Sometimes I feel like microsoft bribes people in free desktop project.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by wvenable »

bombcar wrote: post #83
8note wrote: post #42

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I'm not convinced that's a thing they can do. Too many settings are in 3p apps

Yeah but Windows itself has two control panels for its own settings, no 3P installed at all. Left over from the half-hearted touch Renaissance.

In older Windows, the control panel was extendable by 3rd party applications and drivers. So it sticks around mostly for that and mostly because re-writing a UI for changing really esoteric IT-admin level settings is a waste of time.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by Causality1 »

Microsoft stopped using real hardware for Windows Update testing and instead now rely on virtual machines. Ever since then Windows Update has been the most incompetent, half-assed major software project in the world, bar none. Java has a better track record.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by dexwiz »

shkkmo wrote: post #144
nightski wrote: post #132

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This is in a pre-release build. I'm not happy to hear about it, but in reality Windows 10 has been incredibly reliable. Can't remember the last time I saw a crash to be honest, and I use it for 8-10 hours a day most of the time.

You mean the same windows 10 that I never bother to boot into because every time I do various services decide to do so many indexing and updating tasks that it pegs the hard drive at 100% for hours? I should be able to launch windows every couple of months without having to wait so long to do anything that I forget why I even booted into windows in the first place.

This drives me insane. I try to boot up and play a game, only to find my FPS cut in half due to some background d operation that Windows has determined critical. But not critical enough to tell me beforehand.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by throwawayboise »

swiley wrote: post #140
errantspark wrote: post #23

It's so mind boggling to me that we're okay with this level of uncertainty about the systems we rely on every day. I run LTSC with updates disabled because the idea that something that's working one day would stop working the next drives me up the wall. I have a linux phone (which is awful) because at least when that breaks it's my fault and I can always just put it back into a known working state. I hate how my rela…

I’m not ok with it. Nothing in my house runs Windows and even my phone runs Linux with a fairly normal X11 DE at this point. At work all the coorperate crapware makes the machine so unstable anyway Microsoft’s malware would just be one more thing. It’s a broken window (heh) situation.

I installed OpenBSD about 10 years ago and have used nothing else on my personal computers since then. It does occasionally have breaking changes in its updates, but they never happen without you taking action to initiate them.

The idea that we're OK with random popups, feature promotions, nags to use this or that or enable some setting, and outright advertising on our computers is just mind-boggling.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by paranoidrobot »

shkkmo wrote: post #144
nightski wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is in a pre-release build. I'm not happy to hear about it, but in reality Windows 10 has been incredibly reliable. Can't remember the last time I saw a crash to be honest, and I use it for 8-10 hours a day most of the time.

You mean the same windows 10 that I never bother to boot into because every time I do various services decide to do so many indexing and updating tasks that it pegs the hard drive at 100% for hours? I should be able to launch windows every couple of months without having to wait so long to do anything that I forget why I even booted into windows in the first place.

No, I think they mean the stable Windows 10 that pushes Xbox, Skype, Microsoft Office, SkyDrive, and Candy Crush onto you.

The one that "helpfully" resets default applications and privacy settings to the ones Microsoft wants you to use, and then whines at you (or gives vague threats) when you do choose something else.

The one that turned logging in from pretty much an instant thing to a random wait while you get a "We're just setting things up for you" message on a pulsing background, and not-at-all-reassuring messages that "All your files are right where you left them".

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by makeitdouble »

asdff wrote: post #136
makeitdouble wrote: post #127

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Isn't it true for a lot of things we rely on every day ? Remembering the days of commuting by train, wether the train will come on time or not was a lottery. Traveling by car, accidents, jams, not being able to park etc. are mundane. Elevator/escalators being in maintenance was also a common sight. Things being broken feels part of life, and we learn to plan ahead, have alternatives or deal with it when there is noth…

A computer is a tool. You buy it to perform what it is advertised to do, just like a socket wrench set. But unlike a socket wrench set, the manufacturer could break into your home in the night and replace your rachet and make it incompatible with your old sockets that still work.

Microsoft Teams is a service, so more like trains or taxis in the physical world. Tomorrow train operators could all be on strike and we'd just be SOL.

I think the change that people haven't completely caught on with is a lot of digital tools becoming services. A bit like how enterprises used to own printers, and those are now rented appliances paid by month or by printed page.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by rocqua »

nonbirithm wrote: post #78
meibo wrote: post #17

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It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

Perhaps there's a version of Moore's Law concerning the amount of innovation left at the OS level, and we're only starting to run out of it just now. What legitimately useful features can we expect out of the release of iOS five major versions down the line? Will there be any new features that change the status quo, and that we'd be practically unable to live without? The significant features like the app store and m…

There is plenty of innovation to be done on security and performance. But very little that is a great 'sales pitch'.

Perhaps much better interface for multi desktop and other multitasking.

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