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El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Monetary Policy. Can someone explain how a country plans to implement a monetary policy (e.g. inject new currency during a recession to fund expansion) when they don’t control their national currency (Bitcoin).

It seems their monetary policy is remittances. My guess is ppl will quickly cash out to dollars. But how will the dollars get back to the local exchanges unless people are buying bitcoin there? This seems like a disaster in the making.

My guess is that this will dramatically drop the value of Bitcoin, as has happened many times before when a government tries to introduce a new currency.

Scenario: I want to send my mom $1,000. That would cost me $200 with a remittance, but it's only $20 with Bitcoin. Success! I send her the $9980. Now my mom has $9980 equivalent in Bitcoin. So she goes to the store. The local grocery store has to accept Bitcoin, so she buys up stuff. Success!

Suddenly the grocery store needs to pay its bills. It pays its suppliers in Bitcoin. Success!

The suppliers' suppliers, who are importing many of these goods from abroad, say FUCK NO and don't accept Bitcoin, they need hard cash. Or perhaps the farmers who grow the crops need to purchase fertilizer from abroad, same story. Okay, the suppliers need to convert their Bitcoin to dollars, piece of cake, right? Suddenly there's a problem: Bitcoin is converted to dollars only when dollars are going to be sent out of the country, and suddenly all of those Bitcoin transactions need to be backed up by USD. USD which never flowed into the country in the first place, because I sent BTC and not USD. Suddenly USD is much more scarce than BTC. That sinks the exchange rate.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#152
post #140

yep, That's why protests are taking place in El Salvador. We have also uncovered some security holes. https://twitter.com/Rchr2M/status/1435236141112905732 https://twitter.com/david_a_garcia/status/143525911196544614... Protests: https://twitter.com/OscarMachon/status/1435272669189087236

>We have also uncovered some security holes. What security holes? The first tweet seems to be some sort of some sort of app saying it's a virus, and the second seems to say that it collects IMEI information. Neither constitute good evidence of "security holes".

My mistake, I should have not said security holes. It's leaking and collecting private information. Did you look into the Android Manifest for the virus tweet link? Merci beaucoup for correcting my mistake.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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Could someone explain me the intuition behind the BTC drop? Why changing the owners of a small fraction of an asset that is not affected by any policy should reflect this? Is it just the feeling from some investors that BTC can not be taken seriously?

It is hard for me to understand the logic of it and the only reason that could come to my mind is that some investors don't understand what they are buying.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#154

Congratulations El Salvador on replacing the Federal Reserve with Paolo Ardoino's unlimited Bahamian money printer (note that all executives at Tether received DOJ target letters for bank fraud recently [1] - and are banned from doing business in New York [2]), and letting your exchange rate be managed by Alameda Research and Cumberland/DRW [3]. I can't imagine this going poorly in any way what so ever. So join me an…

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Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#155
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Best part is the President trolling the IMF on Twitter: https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1435263064933285898

Yea, best to troll on Twitter than fix your country that has the literal highest homicide rate in the world. Murder good for Bitcoin?

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Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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This probably eliminates this whole "bitcoin is privacy and independence from government" thing but I think for majority of bitcoin buyers it was not more than just a nice talking point anyway.

The best argument for Bitcoin is that it’s not created out of thin air and then lent to people with interest, IMO.

Sure, it's created out of hot air and instead of interest you have crazy transaction fees.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#157
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Because they have both Dollar and Bitcoin as legal tender, the result is unclear. In theory, because USD is still cheaper (if Bitcoin is supplied constrained as it is promised), people will trade with USD and hoard Bitcoin. However, when crossing borders, USD is more cumbersome to move around, that may deter people to import products with "cheap" USD. It would be very interesting to observe, whether they will eventua…

Gresham’s law [1] would (EDIT: loosely) predict Bitcoin gets hoarded while U.S. dollars trade. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham%27s_law

You're joking right? The "bad currency" here is clearly Bitcoin, which cannot actually be used to buy things in 99.999% of global market situations. If El Salvadorian businesses want to buy computers, trucks, fertilizer, food, whatever, BTC is meaningless and will need to get converted to USD.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

#158
post #8

Best part is the President trolling the IMF on Twitter: https://twitter.com/nayibbukele/status/1435263064933285898

Yea, best to troll on Twitter than fix your country that has the literal highest homicide rate in the world. Murder good for Bitcoin?

I have the feeling you don't really care about El Salvador's homicide rate.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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In El Salvador it means an obligation to accept it. Which is good for bitcoin adoption but does reduce people's freedom to refuse it

I'm envisioning a lot of dirty looks from paper cash-preferring shopkeepers to crypto tourists when the tourists buy up all shop's inventory and leave the shopkeeper with just a few numbers in some app. EDIT: To be clear, I mean tourists each individually buying a normal amount of things using BTC, which adds up to the store exchanging it's inventory for a number in the app.

The law that forces them to accept it also is what gives BTC value in El Salvador.

Re: El Salvador adopts Bitcoin as official currency, first country to do so

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post #83

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He fixed the homicide rate already. [0] [0] https://foreignpolicy.com/2021/03/03/el-salvador-homicide-hi...

... by looking the other way while the cartels operate with impunity. My understanding was there was a handshake deal with the narcos that if they stopped murdering they'd stop checking in on them. [1] So yes, if you allow the state to become an arm of the cartels then I suppose you can call it a job well done that they're not murdering as many people. [1] https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-54192736

Seems like a reasonable decision to me. I don't see how else the government could control the cartels. Plus it's got to be decent for their economy.
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