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Post by bodge5000 »

maximp wrote: post #10

This product seems to combine a few unrelated ideas. No monetization, reverse-chronological feed, no notifications: sweet. Easier to have cleaner, more meaningful conversations with people, hopefully. In short, a nicer, ad-free, less-harmful Facebook. How will you pay for it if it ever gets popular? I'm not sure how limited posts play into this. I think the intention is to make users really think about what they're p…

I think the question of "how will you pay for this if it gets popular" is so important for how often it gets ignored.

I know I've had many hobby projects I've just fallen short on because of fears of how I'd pay for it. Of course these might just be for the fun of making it, but the problem then is that, at least for me, I'd dread what should be a moment of celebration, it getting popular. It could easily put you in massive debt.

Of course a lot of people seem to be of the "I'll cross that bridge if I come to it" type but me, I just couldnt work like that. So congrats to those people I suppose

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Post by zkid18 »

Hey, nice idea! Not sure if that an expected behavior or not, but after login I get straight into WP panel.

Re: Minus

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Post by martinrue »

01100011 wrote: post #34

I wonder what sorts of social media we'd see if it wasn't dependent on selling ads. The need to drive engagement and sell things to people tends to limit the types of social media. It's nice to see an experiment like this but I don't know if it will go anywhere. I was thinking the other day of an idea where you take turns with people in your circle to become a 'star' for a period of time(day, days, week, hour, whatev…

> I wonder what sorts of social media we'd see if it wasn't dependent on selling ads.

This is why I got interested in Gemini. It's a modern take on Gopher and the network already has a lot of folks posting content and sharing ideas completely free of the normal commercial goals you see on most http sites. I even made a small Twitter clone, Station, which has about 260 users right now. If you're a Gemini user, come hang out: gemini://station.martinrue.com

Re: Minus

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Post by jest »

adventured wrote: post #123
simias wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really like like the idea of a "high latency" social network, effectively bringing back the feeling of old snail mail (but more public). 2 weeks seems unnecessarily extreme to me though, even 24h would probably be enough to severely limit the flame potential. It would also potentially mean that one could have a daily routine of checking for the new content and replies and writing your own stuff and you're good to g…

It's not necessary to inject intentional latency in the manner the parent suggests via a rather extreme delay. You can accomplish a lot of the same outcome by merely eradicating following feeds (that is, the combined stream of posts from users that you follow). In the early days of Facebook when you had to manually visit user pages to see what was new with someone or what they were posting, it was dramatically lower…

Yet, the possible resistance is also on the consuming side. It requires a lot of willpower not to flow with the river, but tools like Fraidycat (https://fraidyc.at/) help a bit in following people not trends.

Re: Minus

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Post by franga2000 »

abeppu wrote: post #16

I love this as an idea, but I suspect as a user, I would use either zero or one posts. I do like the idea that the platform can actively disrupt the "addictive" patterns that develop elsewhere. Other things I've wanted: - Instagram with an ML layer that auto-rejects pics with faces or text. Landscapes, vistas, animals, architecture etc all would be welcome. - high latency Twitter, where no post is viewable until at l…

+1 for the high latency idea. I recently witnessed a really bad screaming match on an NGO mailing list between a bunch of anti-vaxxers and, for lack of a better term, the reasonable people. Emails were flying at a rate of 1 every few minutes for long into the nights. What ended up solving it was appointing a moderator that has to approve all the posts beffore they go out. They don't actually block any, they just have to press the approve button. This meant that it usually takes anywhere from half a day to 2 days for a post to go through, so people started thinking a lot more about what they posted and what they read. It became not only slower, but a more civilised and though-out discussion.

Re: Minus

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Post by franga2000 »

bodge5000 wrote: post #151
maximp wrote: post #10

This product seems to combine a few unrelated ideas. No monetization, reverse-chronological feed, no notifications: sweet. Easier to have cleaner, more meaningful conversations with people, hopefully. In short, a nicer, ad-free, less-harmful Facebook. How will you pay for it if it ever gets popular? I'm not sure how limited posts play into this. I think the intention is to make users really think about what they're p…

I think the question of "how will you pay for this if it gets popular" is so important for how often it gets ignored. I know I've had many hobby projects I've just fallen short on because of fears of how I'd pay for it. Of course these might just be for the fun of making it, but the problem then is that, at least for me, I'd dread what should be a moment of celebration, it getting popular. It could easily put you in…

The way I've always prepared for that was to run things on fixed-cost hosting and if it crashes, it crashes. No way I could get a 10k€ AWS bill overnight if my project blew up on HN because they all run on one dedicated machine that costs me almost exactly 1 espresso per day.

If people end up liking something enough to need more capacity, I can scale the server manually to however much I'm willing to spend and immediately set up Patreon/Kofi/whatever. If people contribute enough to pay for a bigger server, I do that. If they don't, it's their problem that it's slow or keeps crashing. My IPs are always prioritised by the load balancer, so it makes little difference to me.

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Post by Arch-TK »

Zensynthium wrote: post #112
dredmorbius wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or the other 42 were for us to give the ones we love.

42, is it a coincidence that this is also the answer to the universe?

This keeps getting butchered. Now it's "answer to the universe" which was previously "answer to life the universe and everything".

It's actually "the answer to the ultimate question of life the universe and everything". The fact that there's an answer to a question but no indication of what the question is is literally the underpinning theme running through all the HG2G books.

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Post by RiceMunk »

smichel17 wrote: post #118
nicktorba wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd love a high latency app as well, but there is undeniable magic in instant communication. My best writing is often when I'm "hot" on a topic and can quickly go back and forth with others on the idea. Steam could quickly run out for that type of thing without instant communication.

Continuing to brainstorm-- Say, the way some messaging platforms have threads which can branch off of the main channel. Maybe this platform has something like that, too; instantaneous and temporary , where messages disappear N minutes after they're sent. So you can post publicly on the time-delayed cadence, or chat semi-privately in realtime. I'm not sure if that undermines the desirable properties of the time delay.

I wonder how much sense it would make for there to be some (simple) function you can tweak a number on to set a balance between the latency and lifetime of your message?

For example the lifetime of your message (counting from when it shows up) could be 2 times the latency of it, e.g. a message with a latency of 1 day would exist for 2 days.

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Post by vincnetas »

andreygrehov wrote: post #62

In an effort to get people to look into each other’s eyes more, and also to appease the mutes, the government has decided to allot each person exactly one hundred and sixty-seven words, per day. When the phone rings, I put it to my ear without saying hello. In the restaurant I point at chicken noodle soup. I am adjusting well to the new way. Late at night, I call my long distance lover, proudly say I only used fifty-…

Thats why some languages started to join multiple words to one word. Like German (Schifffahrt), Russian (Белэнергоремналадка) or Lithuanian (Daugiaaukštis). I'm sure more languages has this.

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Post by hvusslax »

abeppu wrote: post #97
simias wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really like like the idea of a "high latency" social network, effectively bringing back the feeling of old snail mail (but more public). 2 weeks seems unnecessarily extreme to me though, even 24h would probably be enough to severely limit the flame potential. It would also potentially mean that one could have a daily routine of checking for the new content and replies and writing your own stuff and you're good to g…

I picked 2 weeks because I wanted to discourage talking about the news. Or responding/reacting to something dumb a public figure did or said.

Even just 24 hours would do a lot to disrupt the echo chamber.
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