Crime rates have been going down for decades in the Western world (including Oz). Yet governments continue to pass surveillance laws to “fight crime.”
If that doesn’t highlight their true aims, I don’t know what else does.
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#152There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.
We should have slammed the international borders shut at the first sign of it, and placed any region with outbreaks into the strictest lockdown we could humanely devise. Lesson learned for next time. Too late for that for most of the world. Now we have to learn to live with it somehow.
But it worked for New Zealand. They're in a very odd position now. Domestically as long as they can keep it out, they could go completely back to normal. Except for international travel. (It's been mostly normal most of the time aside from that, from what I understand.)
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#153There and New Zealand both. The responses (extreme lockdown) of both countries to Covid has been nothing short of insane.
New Zealand's (as you describe it) "extreme lockdown" has worked. When dealing with a pandemic you are supposed to limit potential exposure, and their actions did that. As a result NZ has had one of the lowest infection rates in the world. Also, those actions let them "return to normal" quicker then anywhere else. It worked. Perhaps you feel that the mid-evil practice of nailing the doors and windows shut and posting…
The child poverty rate increased by 10%. I would say that an increase of children living in inhumane conditions is more than an inconvenience.
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#154All the countries and regions that have been "soft" captured by China over the last decade+ will do similar.
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At least in France people will protest. Places like Australia, NZ and Canada have far too much trust in the government...
As an American's American (Guns and Liberty for everyone!) I really appreciate the French people's intolerance of government overreach. They say no, and they don't sit down.
Your overstimate what we protest for and the effectiveness of it.
Also protests have been heavily repressed during Macron, it's becoming scary to actually go sometimes.
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Indeed, it seems to work for the Taliban vs. the most powerful army on earth.
… in a foreign occupied country. Aside from snide remarks is anybody honestly trying to propose that civilians with guns is a deterrent for for anything the government wants to do? You may as well be throwing rocks.
In some cases, it probably is a deterrent. It is hard to know for sure because there is no way to A/B test a country. I think that some people probably overestimate the degree to which it is a deterrent, but I think it would certainly be wrong to say that it is not a deterrent at all. In some situations it can probably be a very effective deterrent.
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#157Why is Australia trying so hard to become an authoritarian state? It's an island nation with few serious internal or external enemies.[1]
[1] https://thediplomat.com/2016/12/australias-enemies-looking-w...
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#159In what way was this bill "rushed through Australian parliament in 24 hours"? The bill in question is dated 2020 and the committee was requesting submissions by 12th February[0]
[0] https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Joi...
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Not the problem anymore for the brains that fled.
Kinda weird for the attitude toward governments allegedly violating freedom to be “it’s okay as long as it doesn’t affect me.”
No, it's not okay. But if you can't fix it, why stay in a bad environment?