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Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by mrtksn »

commoner wrote: post #142
mrtksn wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nothing is altruistic. It's simply business and business is about to get harder for smaller developers.

Smaller developers now have more payment processing options in South Korea. In addition to Apple's and Google's own systems, they can also choose from a wide variety of third-party systems that charge ~3% instead of 15%/30%. I don't see how this would be anything but a benefit for smaller developers.

Do you have know-how on distributing apps and getting paid for? This sounds to me like ideological talk.

"We wouldn't need to spend money on cleaning staff if everyone clean their door front."

Yeah, sure.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

hyperionplays wrote: post #147
jaywalk wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, in most cases they don't.

This. Google has amazingly helpful peering bilats with most major ISP's globally, they don't have to pay for transit nearly as much as the rest of us. they were a staunch defender of net neutrality because it let them avoid millions of $$ in transit.

Why do Gooogle’s peers charge Google less money?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by commoner »

mrtksn wrote: post #146
commoner wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Suddenly, creating and distributing apps can get prohibitive for smaller developers. That's not true, because the law does not prohibit developers from using Apple's or Google's current payment systems. It enables more payment processing options (with lower fees) without removing existing ones. Developers can also choose different payment processors for different regions.

It means that if those payment processors gain market share from Apple I will need to support them to reach the exact same userbase because if the users adopt using the alternatives it is very likely that they will stop bothering to upkeep their Apple payment methods. It happens all the time and there's even API for it to offer the users a grace period until they fix their payment.

If your customers prefer to use a payment processor that costs you 3% instead of Apple's 15%/30%, then why wouldn't you support that payment processor? You gain more revenue and honor your customers' preferences at the same time.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by Hnrobert42 »

jaywalk wrote: post #107
Hnrobert42 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean “without having to pay”? Google pays for its connection to the internet, right?

No, in most cases they don't.

Do you have any explanation in addition to @hyperion’s response?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by mrtksn »

commoner wrote: post #153
mrtksn wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It means that if those payment processors gain market share from Apple I will need to support them to reach the exact same userbase because if the users adopt using the alternatives it is very likely that they will stop bothering to upkeep their Apple payment methods. It happens all the time and there's even API for it to offer the users a grace period until they fix their payment.

If your customers prefer to use a payment processor that costs you 3% instead of Apple's 15%/30%, then why wouldn't you support that payment processor? You gain more revenue and honor your customers' preferences at the same time.

Because supporting payment processors is extra work(which is requires technical and non technical skills) that can go into development, that's why. It is something that I would prefer to delegate, pay the due and forget about it.

What's so hard to understand that? Have you ever created a product and made money from it?

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by commoner »

mrtksn wrote: post #151
commoner wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Smaller developers now have more payment processing options in South Korea. In addition to Apple's and Google's own systems, they can also choose from a wide variety of third-party systems that charge ~3% instead of 15%/30%. I don't see how this would be anything but a benefit for smaller developers.

Do you have know-how on distributing apps and getting paid for? This sounds to me like ideological talk. "We wouldn't need to spend money on cleaning staff if everyone clean their door front." Yeah, sure.

I do, and your arguments in this thread don't convince me at all. Is there something incorrect in my comment? Developers went from having one payment processor that charges 15%/30% to many payment processors that can charge as little as under 3%. Revenue-wise, there is no downside to having these additional options.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by fleaaaa »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #131

Very good. South Korea is maybe less corrupt than most EU countries after all...

Given the history of payment process in SK, I doubt it.. it's just other side of messed up system, likely worse. But this is definitely a step up I guess.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by PontifexMinimus »

rkangel wrote: post #126
pcr910303 wrote: post #103

It’s not usual for news on my country to be on top of HN. Very unexpected. I’m guessing though that the South Korean market is be significant enough for Apple and Google to not just pull out it’s business from South Korea and call it a day. I guess this is, in some kind, a victory against the huge companies. But… personally I do find sad that this would be detrimental to South Korean app UX. Stripe isn’t a thing here…

> I’m guessing though that the South Korean market is be significant enough for Apple and Google to not just pull out it’s business from South Korea and call it a day. I think that's right. The next step would be for a large enough market to have a similar law, and then they'll just have that as their policy globally. That probably means EU or US.

> That probably means EU or US.

Or the UK, which has a larger economy than South Korea. Although going after big tech is not, as far as I know, on the radar of the UK government.

Re: Apple and Google must allow other in-app payment systems, Korean law declares

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Post by Vespasian »

mrtksn wrote: post #132
Vespasian wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies want to reach the users of the devices. Apple and Google effectively prevent you from doing that without being in their stores. The fact that "technically" you can install apps on android and "technically" users can get an apple dev certificate / or sometimes jailbreak their device are nothing more than a single atom layer thick fig leaf. These two companies effectively have a duopoly on the mobile phone ma…

No body is preventing me from doing anything, please stop speaking for me. Please read carefully: I do have Apps in the AppStore, I am happy with the business relationship with Apple and I am not looking forward to be forced into establishing new business relationships to reach the exact same user base.

I clarified that I did not intend to speak for you. Sorry for that.

You'll be in luck then because you will still be able to use apples services without anything changing. This or similar laws do not obligate you to offer options.

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