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Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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I don't know how young you are. Great story, but, sorry, no. Every single weight loss program claims exactly what you claim. And they all deliver pretty much exactly the same results. My guess is that about 10 to 20 percent of weight loss program participants achieve sustainable life-long objectives, keep the weight off and change their lifestyle. The rest are in a range between utter failure and yo-yo diet programs…

Please stop posting these rants. Hounding someone like this after you already personally attacked them is crossing into harassment. I already asked you to stop once, and you've responded by doing more of it, not once but twice. Seriously not cool. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28258175 .

I understand. You need to protect a YC-funded startup from criticism. No problem. I get it. Money is more important.

Just go ahead and delete everything I have written on this thread. That will be the easiest path.

Lesson learned, don't be critical of YC companies.

Got it.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

#152
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Please stop posting these rants. Hounding someone like this after you already personally attacked them is crossing into harassment. I already asked you to stop once, and you've responded by doing more of it, not once but twice. Seriously not cool. We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28258175 .

I understand. You need to protect a YC-funded startup from criticism. No problem. I get it. Money is more important. Just go ahead and delete everything I have written on this thread. That will be the easiest path. Lesson learned, don't be critical of YC companies. Got it.

People criticize YC-funded startups all the time on HN. Just look at the beating these guys took yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28247379.

We go out of our way to moderate threads less when a YC startup is involved (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...), but your behavior in this thread has been so egregious that I don't have a choice. "Less" doesn't mean "zero".

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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> basically the body fights hard against you as you try to lose weight by dieting. I used to weigh 310lbs, now I'm 215lbs. All I did was count calories to maintain a deficit and the results were essentially the same as predicted by the math. I was a bit hungry sometimes at first as I adjusted to it but that's really it. Prioritizing protein and fat over carbs helps with that. What ways does the body tend to fight aga…

Extreme hunger, like others said. I'd class it as a subset of impulsive behavior, which is basically your primitive brain doing it's caveman shit and not listening to you , the conscious mind. Apparently some people don't have this problem, which makes me incredibly envious (or would if I could feel anything). It's this nagging thought of "JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE GONNA DIE IF YOU DON'T EAT A LOT RIGHT NOW!" I've experien…

Said like a true Fella. I hear this a lot.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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> basically the body fights hard against you as you try to lose weight by dieting. I used to weigh 310lbs, now I'm 215lbs. All I did was count calories to maintain a deficit and the results were essentially the same as predicted by the math. I was a bit hungry sometimes at first as I adjusted to it but that's really it. Prioritizing protein and fat over carbs helps with that. What ways does the body tend to fight aga…

I used to be able to do that in my twenties. Now, in my thirties, it appears I have lost that ability. Cutting my calories seems to causey body to go into a sort of hibernation where it becomes more efficient and conserves more calories. In other words, my metabolic burn rate at rest and while active seems to go down significantly.

Important that you bring up the age factor. We're doing more research now with our doctors on how best to adjust treatment based specifically on male hormonal changes with age.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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> basically the body fights hard against you as you try to lose weight by dieting. I used to weigh 310lbs, now I'm 215lbs. All I did was count calories to maintain a deficit and the results were essentially the same as predicted by the math. I was a bit hungry sometimes at first as I adjusted to it but that's really it. Prioritizing protein and fat over carbs helps with that. What ways does the body tend to fight aga…

Extreme hunger, like others said. I'd class it as a subset of impulsive behavior, which is basically your primitive brain doing it's caveman shit and not listening to you , the conscious mind. Apparently some people don't have this problem, which makes me incredibly envious (or would if I could feel anything). It's this nagging thought of "JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE GONNA DIE IF YOU DON'T EAT A LOT RIGHT NOW!" I've experien…

> I've experienced it after hard days at work (construction), multi hour lifting, cycling 50km. Same shit every time. Surprisingly, unlike what my dumbass brain says, I don't die if I eat only a little and just go to sleep.

I too have experienced this sensation my whole life under such situations. In fact, one of my favorite things to do in life is go for a 6-7 mile run, come home and lift weight for an hour or two... then... wait until I'm hungry (usually about 45 min) and eat an insane amount of food. The food tastes 10x better, and the sensation when eating it is pure bliss.

Always have felt great doing that, and I'm really skinny. We clearly don't have any idea why some people can do that, and others cant. It's probably not until we understand that difference that we'll have any sense what metabolically is happening.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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> I've read the research on willpower being a resource that you use up, and definitely agree with it I don't enjoy subjecting you to cognitive dissonance here...but some highly cited research shows this belief may be a self fulfilling prophecy. > Study 1 found that individual differences in lay theories about willpower moderate ego-depletion effects: People who viewed the capacity for self-control as not limited did…

Maybe the beliefs come from experiences of different 'types' and the types cause the beliefs?

Really smart to pick this. The econometrician in me smiled.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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I have done just about everything over the years to lose weight. I tend to exercise a ton naturally, so it has been more about eating less than exercising more. I would say that my natural weight is slightly overweight but not obese. I've tried various brands of keto (Atkins/4 Hour Body), Weight Watchers, eating slowly, cutting out sugar and wheat, juice fasts. Everything has worked for a time, but the weight has eve…

Is it possible that you are at healthy weight for you? Because given lifestyle you described, it is quite possible.

Also agree it's definitely possible, although would need to know more about OP.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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(Richie's co-founder here) Victoza is the brand name for Liraglutide. The drug we are primarily interested in is Semaglutide. Both Semaglutide and Liraglutide are GLP-1 receptor agonists. It's worth doing your own research and consulting a doctor but the experts I've spoken to (academics and clinicians) along with the studies state that: "GLP-1 analogues did not increase the risk for pancreatic cancer when compared t…

I get how when compared to other treatments for diabetes it may not increase your risk but when we are comparing with other treatments for weight management or just no treatment at all, I find it hard to believe that it doesn't significantly increase the risk for pancan. I understand it's FDA approved but so have been all other drugs in its class that are allegedly linked to pancreatic cancer.

We're definitely watching this closely.

It's worth noting that, as with any medication, there is a cost-benefit trade-off. In this case it will depend on someone's current weight, what they've tried in the past, and the risks of other conditions e.g. heart disease, diabetes, and their past medical history. Each person that joins Fella has an in-depth discussion about this with an independent obesity physician and is welcome to speak it through with their own PCP too.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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(Richie's co-founder here) Semaglutide was FDA approved for diabetes in 2018 (3 years ago) and in June this year for weight management. It's part of a class of medication called GLP-1 RAs which operate in a similar way (they all stimulate the same GLP-1 receptor). Liraglutide is another common one that was approved by the FDA in 2010 (11 years ago) for diabetes (by the EU in 2009) and for weight management in 2014. S…

Thanks for your candor. It would be interesting to see what positive effects can be achieved for what types of patients at various different dosing levels. I'm not at a weight where I'd want to add additional cancer risk in order to lose weight, and unfortunately the data on this sort of incremental risk probably takes decades to be fully realized. Perhaps I'd feel comfortable taking a smaller dose if there were a sh…

Agree it's early days in terms of longitudinal follow-up studies. We're looking forward to playing a part in those studies ourselves.

Re: Launch HN: Fella (YC W20) – Tackling men's obesity using medication and coaching

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Extreme hunger, like others said. I'd class it as a subset of impulsive behavior, which is basically your primitive brain doing it's caveman shit and not listening to you , the conscious mind. Apparently some people don't have this problem, which makes me incredibly envious (or would if I could feel anything). It's this nagging thought of "JESUS CHRIST YOU'RE GONNA DIE IF YOU DON'T EAT A LOT RIGHT NOW!" I've experien…

> I've experienced it after hard days at work (construction), multi hour lifting, cycling 50km. Same shit every time. Surprisingly, unlike what my dumbass brain says, I don't die if I eat only a little and just go to sleep. I too have experienced this sensation my whole life under such situations. In fact, one of my favorite things to do in life is go for a 6-7 mile run, come home and lift weight for an hour or two..…

As someone whose weight has been all over the place in my life, I really appreciate hearing this. I've known it is true forever, but it is rare to hear other people saying it. There is much more to weight than calories in/out. Some people can skip a meal without noticing, others count the minutes until the next meal. I always flip it on its head. For some reason it is easy for people to understand that certain people would have trouble gaining 20 pounds, others could do it in a month easily. But when you talk about losing 20 pounds, people start talking about willpower.
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