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Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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"staffed with below-average IQ people" I'm not sure why your co-workers' IQ is your concern. To come out of the gate with a comment like this sounds like you have a strong disdain for them. Part of your reason for joining the company was the paycheck. I assume the checks aren't bouncing. My advice is the same advice I would give to many people: Learn from your coworkers. Understand the problems that the team and the…

Not to mention "so what if the iq is actually low?". These folks have passed the same bar the OP has. Now they have to work together with existing team and achieve what progress can be achieved. Anecdotally, a lot of engineers (and especially managers) have this mentality where they don't treat the job as something that puts food on table and helps the company move their products forward in what ever pace the overall…

>These folks have passed the same bar the OP has.

The notion that any type of consistent "bar" exists for hiring at FAANGs is a myth. These companies are far too large to consistently apply hiring standards. Some teams intentionally have different standards, some teams unintentionally (due to the hiring managers or interviewers just not being on the same page) have different standards, even within their specific team. Some teams are so desperate for people that they'll hire anyone with a pulse, while others are so flooded with applicants that they don't hire anyone unless you have 6 PhDs and won a nobel prize.

At my FAANG, it's so well known that the "hiring bar" is bullshit that when someone wants to do a team transfer, we usually require them to go through a full hiring loop again, just like an external hire, because there are some teams/organizations within my company that we do not trust to have upheld a reasonable bar when initially hiring someone.

Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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OP joined Amazon without a doubt. (Build everything in house, working nights and weekends, rigid team-switching rules.) I just interviewed there and the onsite presented more red flags than a Soviet military parade. Would definitely recommend treating them somewhat differently from the other FANG companies

OP implied in another comment that it's Google (I could be misinterpreting that comment, though)

Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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I appreciate all the comments (even the criticism). In so many ways, this post has already helped me see things more clearly. One final thought is that I know I can quit - that isn't the question. I could make more money (with less stability) consulting, or find a middle ground at a Series C+ company. What I probably should have said in my OP is that quitting feels wrong. I've never quit a position after three months…

There are plenty of reasons you might want to stay - to try to change teams, to try to get better at working with imperfect teams, to get better at establishing personal boundaries (not owning every problem you run into), or your resume. I would likely stay in your position for at least 1 more month to give things a chance to change.

But a sense of obligation is not a good reason. You owe the company and the team nothing, your employment is fundamentally an at-will business deal, anybody who tells you that you're all "friends" or "family" is very confused or downright lying.

There's a pretty good chance the rest of your team has almost no emotional investment in the "success" of the team and couldn't care less if you leave.

Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not to mention "so what if the iq is actually low?". These folks have passed the same bar the OP has. Now they have to work together with existing team and achieve what progress can be achieved. Anecdotally, a lot of engineers (and especially managers) have this mentality where they don't treat the job as something that puts food on table and helps the company move their products forward in what ever pace the overall…

>These folks have passed the same bar the OP has. The notion that any type of consistent "bar" exists for hiring at FAANGs is a myth. These companies are far too large to consistently apply hiring standards. Some teams intentionally have different standards, some teams un intentionally (due to the hiring managers or interviewers just not being on the same page) have different standards, even within their specific tea…

Wow, requiring an interview to move around in the same company just sounds like the epitome of pigeonholing.

Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I seem to be getting a lot of heat for this comment - fair enough, but I will expand on that. Before joining this company, I hired and managed teams across various startups. I don't think I would be speaking out of turn to say in every company we looked for aptitude and intelligence. I don't know what my previous or current colleagues literal IQs are, but you know a highly intelligent person when you meet and work wi…

You shouldnt have to feel bad for calling people low IQ. I work at FAANG and feel the exact same way. Completely underwhelmed by the talent.

I work at the FAANG considered the “dumbest” - do you think people like me have any hope for the future?

Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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One piece of advice. It is easy to start with an existing team, product or company and immediately find things that in your opinion are done “wrong”. One of the fastest ways to alienate yourself is to come in with a sledgehammer and start trying to change everything after only a couple of months on the job. Step back and realize there is or was likely a good reason that certain choices were made. Try to really understand the why. Maybe that will change your opinion of some of the choices. Then armed with that understanding you can suggest and make improvements in a way that brings value to the team.

Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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post #14

"staffed with below-average IQ people" I'm not sure why your co-workers' IQ is your concern. To come out of the gate with a comment like this sounds like you have a strong disdain for them. Part of your reason for joining the company was the paycheck. I assume the checks aren't bouncing. My advice is the same advice I would give to many people: Learn from your coworkers. Understand the problems that the team and the…

I seem to be getting a lot of heat for this comment - fair enough, but I will expand on that. Before joining this company, I hired and managed teams across various startups. I don't think I would be speaking out of turn to say in every company we looked for aptitude and intelligence. I don't know what my previous or current colleagues literal IQs are, but you know a highly intelligent person when you meet and work wi…

Four months? Sounds like Google. I highly doubt there are low IQ people at Google. Your interpretation seems off.

Re: Ask HN: I joined a FAANG and it is awful

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Cracking up at the response to this thread. The comments here show how desperately tech workers need the validation of being in the Gifted Class and if you insinuate there's a culture of stupidity in FAANG they fall to pieces.

No comment on your predicament, best of luck and look for anybody smart and hustling around you that you can latch on to.

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