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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by defen »

angus77 wrote: post #131
redthrowaway wrote: post #105

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>Do you have any thoughts on using Crystal Light to make water taste less terrible? Water tastes fantastic. It's sweet. An all-soda-and-mcsquats' diet has killed your taste buds, so anything that isn't loaded with sugar and salt (never mind the Coke, your McChicken has a crazy amount of added sugar) will taste bland to you. Cut the crap out of your diet, and the good stuff will taste good again. Now, all of this is m…

Could you explain that comment about zucchinis? I can't find any information about why one wouldn't recommend its consumption.

Not sure what the OP was talking about, but I won't touch them because they're completely lacking in flavor!

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by r00fus »

palish wrote: post #88
JanezStupar wrote: post #86

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On health criteria - I'm not implying that you should be all "Jersey Style". However - for me, first sign of health is muscle tonus - yours seems not very good (as is most geeks). Then your hair seems in a pretty bad shape - that has less to do with washing and more with food you consume. And your general posture does not imply - "I am fit for battle" (you also look sleep depraved). On convenience of healthy food. It…

Thank you. It's so rare nowadays to find someone willing to give perfectly honest feedback, like "your posture sucks, and you look sleepy". I didn't realize hair quality might be linked to nutrition. Also, I appreciate how much work you put into your reply. Do you have any thoughts on using Crystal Light to make water taste less terrible? Someday, when I have more than $1k of savings, I hope to live in a nice rental…

Not sure where you live, but near where I used to live we had this: http://www.waterspring.com/ (we now have similar ones nearby, but this one was the best we've used).

It's basically massively filtered, recycled tap water that tastes better than bottled spring water, and at about $0.25 a gallon, it costs a few dollars a month per person for a much better taste.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by enoren »

palish wrote: post #88
JanezStupar wrote: post #86

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On health criteria - I'm not implying that you should be all "Jersey Style". However - for me, first sign of health is muscle tonus - yours seems not very good (as is most geeks). Then your hair seems in a pretty bad shape - that has less to do with washing and more with food you consume. And your general posture does not imply - "I am fit for battle" (you also look sleep depraved). On convenience of healthy food. It…

Thank you. It's so rare nowadays to find someone willing to give perfectly honest feedback, like "your posture sucks, and you look sleepy". I didn't realize hair quality might be linked to nutrition. Also, I appreciate how much work you put into your reply. Do you have any thoughts on using Crystal Light to make water taste less terrible? Someday, when I have more than $1k of savings, I hope to live in a nice rental…

I will say that I used to drink coke/sodas regularly and was consuming too much sugar and was in the same boat as you that water was not satisfying enough unless I just got done exercising. As other posters have said, this is your body adapting to your diet, but not in a good way. You can train your body to crave the good stuff and mostly intollerate the bad, but it is through slow, daily changes. Don't expect to just stop drinking soda and drinking water as you will start craving it and going back to it. Instead you need to slowly swap good for bad and over time you will naturally desire good choices which will help you avoid any damage you are doing while you are young which you will certainly pay for in the future.

I think most of us were invincible at one time, but we come to realize it is an illusion as we get older and your older self has to pay for it. Also, keep in mind that you really are what you eat, or from a programmer point of view, your results are only as good as your data(i.e. "Junk in, junk out"). Cokes and McChickens are just chemicals and preservatives.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by Shenglong »

palish wrote: post #26
Pointsly wrote: post #16

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Regardless of the health conclusions - you can't deny the amount of sugar in single cup - absolutely contributes to the obesity we are all facing.

I deny that it contributes to obesity for all people. I believe no one can actually claim people understand nutrition --- in the same way we understand Newtonian physics, for example. I've never cared about what I eat. If I want something, I eat it. When I'm full, I stop. Over the last two years, my weight has stayed between 210lbs and 220lbs. I'm lucky. But I'm also a datapoint. Since some people can simply not care…

I eat the same way as you, but I've realized some of the fat, you just don't see.

When I went to Shaolin to train, I was 174lbs, eating about 2,500-3,200 calories a day (estimate). During my 3 months there, I ate about 5,000-6,000 calories a day (estimate), and ended up 167 lbs. I'm 182 cm. The funny thing is, visually, there wasn't much of a difference other than my abs showing more, and more muscle.

I concluded even those of us who are "lucky" in metabolics, still have fat to lose.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by scythe »

bfe wrote: post #133
bmj wrote: post #129

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Thanks. My sense, from following Kristen's blog, is that she might be a bit appalled by the traditional Finnish diet, too. She pushes a lot of grass-fed beef and butter produced from the milk of grass-fed cattle, but she also pushes lots of vegetables, among other things.

The red meat, butter, and buttermilk that abounds in the traditional Finnish diet are from moose and reindeer whose own diet in the Finnish woods is at least as all-natural, wholesome, and organic as the grass grazed by Kristen's cattle, but that didn't stop the Finns from being the world leaders in heart attacks. The LDL cholesterol in your bloodstream doesn't care what the cows you ate were eating when they were al…

At the same time, moose and reindeer are not cattle, and they are cold-weather animals, which means they have a lot of extra body fat. Extrapolating conclusions about moose and reindeer to cattle is not necessarily correct and there are reasons to believe it isn't.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by scythe »

pathjumper wrote: post #148
scythe wrote: post #145

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Really? I don't see people getting fat off of orange juice . Coca-Cola, beer, Gatorade, "sweet tea" with enough sugar in it to be poured on pancakes... these all seem like much more egregious offenders.

A glass of orange juice from a store contains as more calories as an equivalent amount of soda: Calories in OJ: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-orange-juice-i14425 Calories in soda: http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-carbonated-beverage-i... Adjusted for the same volume, the soda has 109, while the orange juice has 122.

It's not just about calories but overall nutritional value. The orange juice contains significantly more vitamins than the soda -- hell, the site you linked rates orange juice as healthier than soda, which should be telling.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by JanezStupar »

defen wrote: post #151
angus77 wrote: post #131

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Could you explain that comment about zucchinis? I can't find any information about why one wouldn't recommend its consumption.

Not sure what the OP was talking about, but I won't touch them because they're completely lacking in flavor!

Your doin' it wrong. Zucchini is a fantastic filling and flavor carrier. It loves spices, olive oil, onions, tomatoes and what have you.

Thus it should be used as something that adds volume and takes on flavor of other ingredients.

I used to dislike zucchinis too - since people putting them on my plate didn't have a proper idea of how to use them. But once you use it as Lord intended them to be used, they are THE fruit. Zucchinis are in fact my favorite fruit.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by tricky »

palish wrote: post #69
JanezStupar wrote: post #67

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Dude I hate to break you're little bubble - but you fat. You might not be as hopelessly obese as people you are used to calling fat. But the truth is you are fat too. You don't look healthy either and with continuing your lifestyle like you do, You are a ticking timebomb of diabetes, cholesterol issues, gout and other nasty metabolic diseases. Take an example of my mother, she is 70 and has developed both gout and di…

This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

run to the grocery store instead. Buy a can of black beans and a can of rotel (diced tomatoes with green chilies). Open, drain, mix, and microwave. Grab a glass of water and BAM! You've got a healthy and spicy-delicious meal. Total cost? $1.05 if you shop at Aldi. I can get 2 meals out of it. YMMV.

Add chips if you need something extra. Dump them onto a plate to keep yourself from eating the entire bag, though.

While you're at the store, grab a romaine lettuce. rinse it off and just start munching. No need to chop it into a salad, that's a pain in the ass.

Shop the perimeter of the store and avoid the frozen and boxed stuff.

Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by [deleted] »

jules wrote: post #116
palish wrote: post #69

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This is very possible too. What's the criteria for judging "healthy"? I mean, I have no ego, and I'm not doing this out of narcissism or some silliness like that. I genuinely care about "the truth". So if the truth is I don't look healthy, then I'd like to know why. I was just about run up to the local gas station and buy a $0.72 44oz Cherry Coke, then run up to McDonalds and grab a McChicken for $1.09, then head bac…

44oz of water: $0.00 Put water in a pan, bring to a boil. Meanwhile cut one onion into small pieces. Put oil in a frying pan and heat, then add minced meat. Add pasta and a bit of salt to now boiling water. When it starts to be a bit brown, add the onion, stir. Add any spices, e.g. thyme and laurel leaf. Add 500ml pureed tomatoes (you can but this you don't have to do it yourself). Add a crushed broth cube, and a tea…

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Re: The Secret Ingredient In Your Orange Juice

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Post by sandGorgon »

sambeau wrote: post #134
palish wrote: post #115

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Hey, thanks. Would you mind linking to the actual studies so I can read them? The "sugar-water + food = lost weight" bit is especially striking...

Original academic sources: Fowler SP, Williams K, Resendez RG, Hunt KJ, Hazuda HP, Stern MP. Fueling the obesity epidemic? Artificially sweetened beverage use and long-term weight gain Obesity (Silver Spring) 2008 Aug;16(8):1894-1900. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18535548 http://www.uthscsa.edu/hscnews/singleformat.asp?newID=3872 here's some pop-sci versions: http://www.fastcompany.com/1764156/diet-coke-is-why-…

could you comment on this then - http://www.ajcn.org/content/82/5/1011.abstract

P.S. I'm genuinely asking, most of my knowledge is borrowed from Leangains

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