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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by alyandon »

itake wrote: post #57
nightski wrote: post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

Bitwarden's UX is so frustrating. The Firefox extension has no memory to it. For example, if you're logging into your credit card provider from Mint.com, you have to search your card, copy the username. when you paste the result on Mint, you lose the window, and you have to re-search for your card to get the password. Very frustrating.

Does it still do that if you click the pop-out button so that Bitwarden has it's own window?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by falcolas »

FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I come at it from a slightly different angle. I got in when it was syncing via Dropbox and iCloud, and it worked perfectly fine.

The switch to a subscription service is a forced downgrade for me; it's putting functionality I already have behind a subscription.

This is particularly an issue since the old versions (versions I paid for, mind you) are slowly going away (typically as a recompilation and submission is required to keep them available on iOS devices).

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by arepublicadoceu »

rkagerer wrote: post #124

Between this and the Electron news, is Troy Hunt (haveibeenpwned creator) still going to endorse 1Password as his recommended password manager?

Well, it would be really strange if he didn't endorse his sponsor.[1]

[1] https://www.troyhunt.com/have-i-been-pwned-is-now-partnering...

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by thunderbong »

itake wrote: post #57
nightski wrote: post #3

I haven't had a single bad experience with Bitwarden. I even pay for it now and still run it locally just to support them. Highly recommended if you don't want to be forced into 1Password's service.

Bitwarden's UX is so frustrating. The Firefox extension has no memory to it. For example, if you're logging into your credit card provider from Mint.com, you have to search your card, copy the username. when you paste the result on Mint, you lose the window, and you have to re-search for your card to get the password. Very frustrating.

This is probably an edge case where the fields in the browser cannot be identified by their ids/classname. In this kinds of a scenario, you can set extra fields (and their corresponding values) in Bitwarden after inspecting the field elements in Dev tools.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by colesantiago »

InTheArena wrote: post #36

I am a big fan of 1password. I was very unhappy with the transition to subscription only, and tried bitwarden. After months of futzing around with it, I went back to 1password. I did so after reviewing their audit results, awhat they documented about their architecture, and after they added great support for Linux. At the end of the day, not everything is a conspiracy - and their model appears to be incredibly secure…

where does it say that dashlane has access to your passwords, I don't see them saying this anywhere?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by thatswrong0 »

avidiax wrote: post #126
brandonarnold wrote: post #74

The argument they're making in this longwinded post applies to most software today. Standalone licenses made sense when your life revolved around one PC saving data to its own hard drive. Today, if you want that, there are great free/DIY options.

Subscription based licensing is mostly rent-seeking. The cloud storage, compute, and egress for a password manager is fractions of a penny per year per user. Yes, engineering and upkeep and new features costs money. If those features are truly valuable, then the market would bear paying an additional one-time fee, just as photoshop 8 had to be better than photoshop 7 in some way to justify the purchase.* But what new…

Subscriptions are not rent seeking.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

#158

Post by Uupis »

leetcrew wrote: post #96
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

I think it's reasonable to complain about the loss of the native app when one of the key selling points (imo) is the pleasant UI. I don't really understand the almost-automatic hatred of subscriptions. if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription. the fair alternative is a one time payment for a lifetime license with few patches priced in. I would probably pref…

> if an app has ongoing development that you benefit from, it seems entirely fair to pay a subscription.

Agreed. Though, this latest development – the move to Electron – is a negative for me, so it leaves a part of me wondering what kind of development I have been paying for. I imagine I am not alone with such a sense of disappointment.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by city41 »

falcolas wrote: post #152
FreezerburnV wrote: post #50

I guess I’m the outlier in being very happy with 1Password and fine with paying for the subscription service. Not only is 1Password the best password manager I’ve used, but it makes it seamless to share stuff with my wife. I don’t care if 8 is an Electron app either, considering I usually interact with it via the browser anyway with their extension. (Also I know that the majority of what they wrote for it is Rust and…

I come at it from a slightly different angle. I got in when it was syncing via Dropbox and iCloud, and it worked perfectly fine. The switch to a subscription service is a forced downgrade for me; it's putting functionality I already have behind a subscription. This is particularly an issue since the old versions (versions I paid for, mind you) are slowly going away (typically as a recompilation and submission is requ…

I'm somewhere in between. I also paid for a non subscription version and I also feel like I was forced to upgrade to the subscription. Sadly switching password managers, especially if you share with a family, is really painful.

We now pay the subscription, a tad begrudgingly, but I have to admit 1Password overall does a great job.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by Semaphor »

nirvdrum wrote: post #105
distances wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the main point of Bitwarden or competitors over traditional password managers such as KeePassXC? Better autofill features?

Multi-device access, browser integration, mobile platform integration, and sharing with spouse or team members. I know there are solutions to some of those based on some variant of KeePass, but using something like Bitwarden is very easy. Bitwarden is really nice in that you can host the server yourself (or use bitwarden-rs), so you're not having to mess around with WebDAV or some other storage sharing mechanism.

What I’m getting is "it’s easier to set up"?

Though one more point that’s more than just "ease of use" is probably shared access. AFAIK Keepass has issues there while bitwarden (IIRC) supports it completely.

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