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Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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Billion dollar question: do you get more bang for the buck (return on investment, ROI) out of improving robot control schemes, or out of designing the product with automated assembly in mind? Bonus: the ROI changes as you invest in either bucket.

Half of automating tomato harvesting was breeding a tomato that could survive the harvesters. (Granted they also taste relatively horrible, but now we all eat them because they are cheap and ubiquitous.)

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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Clearly an attempt to lure you in when you're hungry and searching for some common queries like history of famous places.

I’ve assumed it was to create a longer page which can hold more ads.

Recipes by themselves aren’t copyrightable. Bullshit stories are.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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To me, this is robot vs process - how much do we need clever robots and how much do we need to change the job. There is an old saw about the transition from steam powered factories to electrical power. Initially the large steam engine was in one location, and basically its power was delivered by belts running off one central location. The factories initially tried to replace the steam engine with one big electric mot…

Lots of grocery delivery services do use purpose built warehouses. Stores like Walmart aren't doing that because it would cost a bunch extra vs picking from the stores they already have.

The furniture assembly thing probably doesn't make sense for huge runs, but you could stick one in front of a modest warehouse and build 200 different products on demand.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

#154
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Robotics is not a software problem and SV companies bias is towards software development (a little different with X but still apparent). I think most companies that try to throw data at existing problems in robotics using existing machines will have a hard time matching human efficiency. For example, in something as straightforward as the usb insertion task. Hardware and mechanical is like 95% of the problem so there…

But it is a software problem. Surprised that you mentioned robotic arm, which is basically just 3-5 servo/stepper motors connected to case and not super complicated to build with 3d printers. It's the software that powers it. Boston dynamics robots are not the top of the line in terms of hardware. It is the software that gives their robot the power to even stand up, which anyone who has coded the robot knows it only…

Human tactile sensing is still much superior to that of robot hands.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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Market is not that big? What is the size of transportation industry alone? What about ride hailing? Investors are skittish? Cruise raised $10B most of it not that long ago, EmbarkTrucks is merging with a SPAC to go IPO soon, I could list others. Robotics is hard but that’s kind of the point.

Saying the market isn't big is indeed questionable, as the total addressable market for advanced robotics is easily that of the global labour force. Likely what is meant is the market for current state of the art robotics, which have limitations and are cost prohibitive (capital wise).

I agree with this analysis, although I’d disagree that it’s questionable, I’d say it’s straight fallacious. I’d draw a parallel to the development of CNC technology[1], in the case that if this software solution can become successful, it seems feasible to me that their might become some sort of equivalent to a machine shop, but for assembly/robotics instead of manufacturing/machining. Currently we have Foxconn, who is doing significant research in the manufacturing automation space, and seems to be making progress, but I see no reason this couldn’t take a similar arc. CNC/CAD was initially only for the most ambition prototypes, but as it proliferated it reshaped the product market, making curves easy and allowing for much more complex 3d shapes, and was kick started by the stagflation of the 70’s. I don’t look forward to (more) products put together by machines that are impossible for a human to do. But I genuinely feel that mastering robotics is one of the most important goals for society as a whole (and especially for safety conscious western countries), up their with clean energy and carbon sequestration. There is a lot of manual labor that (especially) Americans need to do, from updating infrastructure for rising seas and fixing the poorly maintained infrastructure we have, to increasing housing in urban centers, to whatever form carbon sequestration ends up taking––and western disease leaves these countries mostly unfit for the task ahead.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_numerical_contr ol

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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https://www.mujin.co.jp/en/ This is not manual or bespoke and it has sensors. The videos are incredible and they work in real life already. This one is it moving petri dishes full of liquid without spilling! This is obviously not being pre-programmed to move along some kind of 1980s style fixed paths for welding parts as Alphabet apparently thinks everyone is still doing. The obliviousness of suggesting that using ML…

> as Alphabet apparently thinks everyone is still doing. The obliviousness of suggesting that using ML models for robotic control is some unique new idea is really off-putting. Intrinsic/Alphabet are not suggesting they are somehow unaware of easily-Google-able state of the art in ML robotics. They literally used to own Boston Dynamics. From the post, the second demo of their tech (“Two robots use perception, force c…

> FAANG has access to the leading factories in Shenzhen, and heavily utilize robot tech in their HW supply chains.

Do you know what the N stands for in FAANG?

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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I really dislike this writing structure of "before I get to the point, let me tell you a story about my life" Edit: I'm not alone, https://style.mla.org/dont-bury-the-lede/

I like inverted pyramid style too, but it’s a very brief intro and letting the CEO of a new company introduce themselves doesn’t seem so bad? You could skip the first paragraph.

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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post #148

I’m “unlocking” that this will be dead within 18 months. It will get too hard and bored engineers will head back to Google Corp where the promotion game is better. I’m in manufacturing. Machinery is highly specialised. Making a generic robot without taking up huge amount of floor space and/or huge leaps in programming is like… Kubernetes being good for hosting your moms book club blog.

I'll remind myself in 2 years to see the state of this

Re: Intrinsic, a new Alphabet company

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I’ve assumed it was to create a longer page which can hold more ads.

Recipes by themselves aren’t copyrightable. Bullshit stories are.

Does copyright for a story containing a recipe protect against use of the recipe outside the context of the story?
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