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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by ThePhysicist »

It's quite bizarre that Apple just released an iPad Pro with a CPU that is more powerful than the desktop CPU in my workstation, but then cripples the device by severely restricting what kind of software you can run on it.

I mainly use Linux but was looking for a secondary laptop/tablet hybrid for my office needs. I considered getting an iPad but ultimately went for a Surface Pro, which was the right choice I think. The device and UI (just Windows 10) is not nearly as polished as iPadOS, but at least I can just install normal FOSS software like KeepassXC instead of downloading some proprietary app from the store, hoping it won't exfiltrate my data. I can even play the occasional round of SimCity 2000 in DOSBox. iOS & iPadOS devices are great for media consumption, but I would never consider them for any type of "serious" office work.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by rob74 »

rusk wrote: post #118
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

There really needs to be a third way … how are Linux smart phones looking? No hope of getting WhatsApp etc presumably but at the very least a fairly solid browser should be possible …

I think a "de-Googled Android" like "/e/" is a more realistic alternative currently if you actually want to use the phone...

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Cthulhu_ »

realusername wrote: post #133
donkarma wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you need a phone?

When now you have banks & governement apps, I'd say that falls down under the definition of required / public infrastructure.

Plus access to public places via QR codes verifying you have been vaccinated / recently tested negative.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by megous »

realusername wrote: post #133
donkarma wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you need a phone?

When now you have banks & governement apps, I'd say that falls down under the definition of required / public infrastructure.

The only thing I wasn't able to do without so far is SMS 2nd factor. Dumbphone is enough for that.

I don't mind if banks/govs require use of some protocol. But forcing use of specific apps goes against past achievements to make public institutions use open formats and protocols, so I reject that where possible, or complain.

It should not be acceptable. I still remember times when people had to pirate MS office to be able to open some .doc from their gov, or use MS windows to run some proprietary form filling software. That's mostly a thing of the past, thankfully. "My-app or highway" attitude feels like a setback in that regard.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by mgsk »

TomAnthony wrote: post #148
tgv wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm totally opposed. My parents (who are rather old) use an iPhone and iPad, and I'm happy they have no option to fuck things up more than they already do. If you're talking about "freedom": nobody forces you to buy Apple.

I agree - I'd also be opposed. I understand why it frustrates people (especially in the cases such as iDOS 2), but it was a known factor for me buying an Apple phone. More importantly, it was an aspect of the ecosystem that I _wanted_. On Android the Play Store is a major distributor of malware [1]. I would like to avoid that, which comes with trade-offs, which I accept. Is it perfect? No. But it works. I do wonder i…

You know you wouldn't have to make use of functionality just because it's there, right?

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

flohofwoe wrote: post #141
pibechorro wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple has always been like this. Better hope they dont decide to throttle down your current hardware when they release a thinner one next year and deem yours obsolete.

This only started with the iPhone. Apple has been around much longer and was a regular computer company before which treated their users like adults.

Imagine for a moment you're an Apple exec who gets to see real usage numbers and revenue numbers per platform and is on board with the current company belief system.

You see MacOS devices completely dwarfed in both users and profit per user by iOS devices.

As that executive, who keep in mind probably doesn't share your opinions on open technology or they would never have got into that position. What decisions would you be making on the direction of their platforms.

I can't help but think we're only going one way and it's not towards something more open.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by verytrivial »

nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Re: Android, I tried to log out of YouTube on my phone yesterday. It said "Sure, as long as you don't mind logging out of GMail too." I was taken aback by this -- I didn't realise this was a hostage situation.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by TomAnthony »

mgsk wrote: post #155
TomAnthony wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree - I'd also be opposed. I understand why it frustrates people (especially in the cases such as iDOS 2), but it was a known factor for me buying an Apple phone. More importantly, it was an aspect of the ecosystem that I _wanted_. On Android the Play Store is a major distributor of malware [1]. I would like to avoid that, which comes with trade-offs, which I accept. Is it perfect? No. But it works. I do wonder i…

You know you wouldn't have to make use of functionality just because it's there, right?

Yes, I understand that, but how do I _know_ if I am using this functionality?

In this case, it is the ability for an app to install and execute arbitrary code that hasn't been reviewed. I download an update to DoodleJump and it installs some malware on my device. I'd be none the wiser.

I don't want that stress, which is why I chose an Apple device. It protects me from that scenario.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by curt15 »

vmception wrote: post #140
nicolas_t wrote: post #112

The mobile landscape presents a very difficult choice. Choose Android, get actual access to your device and install what you want but have your privacy completely trampled upon by Google Choose Apple, get marginally better privacy but no ownership of your phone and no possibility to install what you want. I wish we had a reasonable alternative, it's so frustrating to have to choose between two bad alternatives and th…

Eh Apple users you can still download this app and it will stay on their phones after it is removed from the app store This post seems to mischaracterize what is going on and seems to be pre-prepared sentiment that has nothing to do with what actually is happening or going to happen Apple users can still file share dos games, if they download that app now. Not clear what level of device control you are reacting to, w…

Don't iOS apps check in with Apple periodically for permission to run?
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