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Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Post by thaumasiotes »

mb7733 wrote: post #105
thaumasiotes wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How so? Everyone running a light together is the expected behavior if you change the color of the light. In other words, it describes nothing that isn't occurring constantly everywhere. Where does the metaphor backfire?

The metaphor backfires because if everyone runs red lights they will collide with one another, as well as with those going through green lights.

> if everyone runs red lights they will collide with one another

In the same way that if everyone runs green lights, they'll collide with one another? How do you go through intersections?

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Post by slim »

542458 wrote: post #128
thrdbndndn wrote: post #92

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> most prestigious The existing "prestigious" journals are prestigious because of the peer-reviewing process. How do we solve this problem with Sci-hub? I mean, you can publish your research anywhere (like your homepage) already if you choose to.

It’s not really the peer review process that makes them prestigious. The peer review process employed by world-class journals doesn’t guarantee good science (see: all sorts of high profile retractions). And it’s not really a complicated system - it’s easy to clone, as the procedures are all public and the important players are all volunteers. But cloning the top journals’ peer review process wouldn’t make you a top j…

That's why I think there's a chance for sci-hub to disrupt this. It's already doing great marketing-wise and attracting a lot of great researchers. If some of those researchers donate their research and their time to peer review - in protest against the current monopoly - it could be disrupted.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Post by exikyut »

danuker wrote: post #56
enriquto wrote: post #31

This is extremely infuriating. Alexandra Elbakyan has done a huge positive contribution to human civilization, even knowing that it was putting herself at personal risk. She's just 32 years old. How can we help her? Does she need money, public support, vpns in every country? Whatever she needs, mankind is indebted to her and we should help if we can. Anybody who has ever supported their research using Sci-Hub (or Lib…

> I don't know how to best support her. Any suggestions? My guess would be to donate to her. Near the bottom of the page is a BTC address (please check it yourself): https://sci-hub.do/ https://sci-hub.st/ https://sci-hub.se/ All the domains have the same address for me: 12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2mdSns Money (and Bitcoin is among the freest money) can be used on whatever she needs.

I was idly curious about the account state, so went digging for visualization tools. Most of them have nice designs and not very much info :) but

- https://mempool.space/address/12PCbUDS4ho7vgSccmixKTHmq9qL2m... shows a presumably-USD$ amount next to each transaction

- https://explorer.bitquery.io/bitcoin/address/12PCbUDS4ho7vgS... (select "Sankey", slide "Detail level" all the way to the right) shows how the money's mostly going elsewhere

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Post by nautilius »

leephillips wrote: post #141
golergka wrote: post #139

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Honestly, this seems to be a cultural thing. Having been exposed to both Russians and Americans, I would never dare use those words in a disagreement with American colleague, for example. But talking to a Russian one, I would use much harder ones for my point to be taken seriously, and would not have expected any bad blood over it.

Well, then I hope I’m wrong about the vehemence behind her remarks. But I’m still puzzled about the reason for her objections in the first place. What’s so wrong about mentioning that there are some ways to get reprints besides Sci-Hub?

The fact that _you_ are "still puzzled" should give you a hint about who is subject to "uncontrolled extreme emotion" in your exchange with Alexandra.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Post by aabaker99 »

stavros wrote: post #135
jeroenhd wrote: post #78

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I don't believe you can publish on Sci-Hub, but you can join the open access movement by publishing your work on sites such as Arxiv where anyone can read your work. If every scientist published their work on open access platforms, Sci-Hub wouldn't need to exist in the first place.

Why do people not do that? As far as I know, publishing in Arxiv is as simple as uploading the PDF, so I'm wondering why scientists don't do that themselves by default. Does anyone know?

Some journals rules prohibit submitting to arxiv. Researchers still want to submit their research to these journals because they are prestigious. One of the main goals of researchers is prestige (for their work to be widely read, for getting grants, for attracting grad students and post doc laborers, etc.).

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Post by ivalm »

stavros wrote: post #135
jeroenhd wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't believe you can publish on Sci-Hub, but you can join the open access movement by publishing your work on sites such as Arxiv where anyone can read your work. If every scientist published their work on open access platforms, Sci-Hub wouldn't need to exist in the first place.

Why do people not do that? As far as I know, publishing in Arxiv is as simple as uploading the PDF, so I'm wondering why scientists don't do that themselves by default. Does anyone know?

You need to upload the original tex and somehow it always took some tweaking to get it to compile relative to my local setup. But yes, it’s a low barrier.

Re: Is Alexandra Elbakyan in real trouble this time?

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Post by voldacar »

miguelmurca wrote: post #74
voldacar wrote: post #70

Seriously, why would you make your awesome website less useful for everyone because a court in India wants you to do something? Are you Indian? Does the Indian government have some kind of authority over you? Are you combing through the laws of India to make sure you are complying with all of them? When you're operating this kind of site, why even bother acknowledging the existence of Indian courts, or any court that…

Read the article! > The latest lawsuit, filed in India by three academic publishers, including Elsevier, asks the High Court of Delhi to block access to Sci-Hub throughout the country. While the case is pending, the court has instructed Sci-Hub to stop uploading papers to its database. The order is not unusual; what’s surprising is that Elbakyan has complied. She has a history of ignoring legal rulings, and the India…

Yeah I get that but the what is the upside to winning exactly? You continue doing exactly what you did? It just seems completely irrational

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Post by refurb »

failwhaleshark wrote: post #16
nicolas_t wrote: post #13

> The website is blocked in a dozen countries, including Austria, Britain, and France. I'm deeply ashamed that my country would block sci-hub given that the current system is preventing scientific development.

Publishing papers in journals isn't about scientific development, it's about publish-persish. The issue is the journals suck-in the papers and then walled-garden them like they were their original research when they are simply the publisher. Academia needs to throw away for-profit journal publishers and leave it with social co-ops and nonprofits.

No. This is an example of “have your cake and eat it too”.

Scientists want to publicize in a prestigious journal. Elsevier is prestigious. Elsevier charges a subscription fee. Other scientists can’t access it.

So what scientists want is to be able to publish in the most prestigious journals and have free access to them.

It’s like if I said “i want to be able to attend the most prestigious school but I don’t want to pay for it”.

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Post by refurb »

krastanov wrote: post #60
martin1975 wrote: post #34

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free is a flawed concept - energy and time went into publishing each paper meaning someone paid. If the authors want to give permission, then she ought to seek it for each paper she's put on her website or seek permission from whomever owns the copyright. Otherwise it's theft. And no amount of civil disobedience can justify theft.

Some people (me included) consider "intellectual property" an oxymoron. But you do not need to go that far in the extreme to be supportive of scihub and similar entities: I am a scientist. I am paid from research grants, this is what makes it possible for me to write a paper. I am also involved in reviewing papers, but that I do for free. Then I pay a journal to store my paper (the journal did not pay the paper revie…

“Didnt contribute anything but prestige”? If that’s such a minor contribution, then instead of publishing with a journal you hate, publish with an open source journal? Put your money where your mouth is.
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