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Most desalination plants do just pump the brine back into the ocean. That isn't ideal from a marine conservation standpoint but if the outflow pipe runs out deep enough then it's not too bad.

If it's not ideal right now, how well does it scale if more and more desalination plants come online to meet freshwater demands, and dispose of their brine in the same manner?

The global water cycle is the embodiment of scale and even though engineers would learn a lot of interesting new things and make mistakes in the process of implementing desalination at scale, the brine problem is trivially solvable with existing technology like longer pipes and flow control (changing the exhaust concentration based on ocean currents and seasonal factors).

The problem is the criminal mispricing of water in most of the world. Anything that interacts with saltwater - especially brine - is in a completely different class of infrastructure that requires constant maintenance, something that most political systems are especially bad at. It's compounded by the artificially low price of water and accompanying lack of funds.

Humans have built over three million kilometers of natural gas and oil pipelines globally. The longest undersea pipeline is over 1,200 km long, which is at least twenty times longer than the longest pipelines we'd need to build for ideal brine dispersion in the worst case geographies. For better or worse, the problems with desalination are economic and political, not technological. We just need to spread out our impact so that it's within the margin of error of ocean currents and evaporation.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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US voters didn't become climate change deniers by chance

How do US voters go about changing climate policy in China and India?

I'd say voting in officials who are willing to pressure these nations

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Maybe it’s time to signal political leaders that climate collapse is an urgent issue.

Why? They're often part of the same ownership class that stands to make a lot of money from the status quo. Even if the world goes to shit, they're wealthy enough to insulate themselves from the fallout, and probably wouldn't mind being lords of the ashes.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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There are 241 coal power plants in the USA.

Get 50 people chained up in front of the gates, and stop workers and coal coming in.

Maintain this human blockade until the last coal power plant is shut down. Ignore arrests and ignore the police.

Screw the impact on the 'investment'. The grid will handle the loss of electricity anyway.

That's about 12,000 people across the USA who could actively shape the future of humanity.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Maybe it’s time to signal political leaders that climate collapse is an urgent issue.

I would first want to see the study confirming this current heat dome is a result of climate change.

And what would you accept as proof? Meteorological models showing the jet stream gets "wavier" with increased temperature?

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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I'm not celebrating people dying of thirst, but I also think that's the only thing that will get the world properly focused on the issue. We need to make big structural changes to the global economy to fight climate change, and those changes are going to have an outsized negative impact on today's wealthiest and most powerful people. They aren't going to let change happen without a fight. People dying is what it's go…

People dying in Algeria won't realistically get the US, French, or Chinese governments to significantly cut fossil fuels supplied to their citizens.

France would react. If people start mass dying in Algeria, many of them will try to get to Europe.

Algeria being a former French colony, being close by, and already having a large population of Algerian descent (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algerians_in_France says there are 10 million people of Algerian origin in France. That’s over 10% of the population), France probably will be a major destination.

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People dying in Algeria won't realistically get the US, French, or Chinese governments to significantly cut fossil fuels supplied to their citizens.

USA and France are actually doing well on renewables and nuclear even. Whereas China is still building a shit-ton of new coal plants. https://ieefa.org/france-boosts-renewable-energy-spending-to... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/13/climate/coronavirus-coal-... https://e360.yale.edu/features/despite-pledges-to-cut-emissi...

I assume China is also taking in a proportional amount of climate refugees as well.

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This isn't technically accurate, we have access to abundant long term (multi-century) reserves of natural gas which can be used to provide power needed for desalinization. Nuclear is in no way a "blocker". Certainly, cost is a substantial barrier especially in less wealthy nations.

Carbon emissions

If the choice is reducing emissions or saving lives from dehydration, I wonder which is the appropriate course of action.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Environmentalists fought against nuclear power for 70 years. The result? We burned coal. So I’m not interested. You wanted the world to burn. So let it burn.

How much of that has actually been environmentalists and not a result of intentional deceptive tactics and undermining of public education by fossil fuel companies?

Most of the effective opposition has come not from environmentalists per se, but rather from NIMBYs who don't want to live near a nuclear plant. After the incidents at Three Mile Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima it's difficult to convince local residents that newer designs are inherently very safe. Even if they support nuclear power in principle they want it built somewhere else.

Re: Heat dome causing record breaking heat wave

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Everytime you take your car think about the discomfort you felt by reading the headline.

On the one hand, it is easy to see the direct link.

OTOH, you can't blame a person - or company - for playing according to the rules of the game.

It comes down to: "Why should I eschew a car and take 250% longer to travel places on COVID infested public transport, when my neighbour Bob jumps in his BMW SUV and drives."

We need leadership from lawmakers or nothing meaningful will happen.

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