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Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by stereoradonc »

daredevil_kohai wrote: post #142
stereoradonc wrote: post #96

This is one of the best feature sets, and I waited for over two years; ever since WhatsApp had got it. I find that stance of the community strange here - no "e2ee". Privacy is important, but your chat history hardly reflects that. There are other ways to get your history or track your digital trails. 200,000 users for group chat. Unlimited users for voice chat (like clubhouse). 30 users for group video calling. That…

If my understanding is correct. VC users at a time in a room in clubhouse is limited.

Yes thats right.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by stereoradonc »

qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

Telegram accomodates over 200,000 users. I have my own community around Telegram; it has nothing to do with Crypto. Bots manage the rush; block words filter out conversations; spammers are blocked in their track, auto-delete or auto-removal of messages (if and when required).

Privacy controls on voice/video calling, restrictions on who can add me to groups and so on. Intelligent cache without looming storage limits on my device. Efficient application that doesn't drain battery. Cross platform client that even works in modern browser and remains in perfect sync.

I wonder why you are forgetting the virtues and only focused on the "shady aspects".

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by truth_ »

stereoradonc wrote: post #149
bhtru wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Care to elaborate why you believe Signal is garbage? Is it for technical reasons?

1) Platform sync is bad. 2) Backups drain my battery. 3) Notifications across platform are weird. 4) Video calling quality is now an issue. Previously it wasn't. 5) No usernames and no ingrained privacy controls to prevent users from calling me.

1. Having to share the phone number is the biggest issue for me. This shouldn't be the case in 2021. I can only use Signal with my close friends. OTOH, I can confidently share my Telegram handle with anyone I have known for a some months, even online (not in anonymus forums, of course).

2. Notifications in one platform is weird for me.

3. Video quality is extremely bad to the extent of unusable.

4. Completely agree with the lack of settings whether other users with my number can text/call me on Signal.

Re: Group Video Calls

#154

Post by truth_ »

allarm wrote: post #97
qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

Telegram is recognized by i.e. Singapore government. They have multiple official channels in Telegram, including ministry of manpower, public housing authority and ministry of foreign affairs. The official government site has their Telegram group as well.

Indian government has official channels in Telegram, too.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by vinay427 »

stereoradonc wrote: post #150
vinay427 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Secret chats - the e2ee chats self-destruct between users and stay on the device where it has been initiated. Is this supposed to be a feature? Telegram themselves claim that this inability to backup chats is at least part of why they don't enable E2EE before mentioning that it allows users choice over data storage, which seems silly in the face of apps that allow for encrypted backups of E2EE messages. [1] Signal…

I use Telegram as a daily driver and I don't find any reason to be constrained about whatever you mention. I use Telegram on iPad, Windows, Android and they sync perfectly- that's why it's cloud messenger. Data migration isn't an issue at all. No one's asking you to use a non-e2ee client. But find reason and merit in those who do- try it for the convenience and then uninstall it if it doesn't serve your purpose.

Right, I genuinely do understand why people use it, and don't have a problem with that decision. My point was just that the E2EE chats not being able to be backed up or transferred to a new device/install isn't a feature, and it's strange that Telegram (and possibly your comment, although perhaps I misread it) mentions that it is a potential benefit for data security when encrypted local backups exist in other apps.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by skinnymuch »

vngzs wrote: post #106
ec109685 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On iOS apps can’t find out what other apps you have installed. With gdpr, you can at least download all the data they have collected about you. Have you verified your Trojan horse claim?

Many of these claims are described in [0]: > WhatsApp still won't be able to access any of your communications or share them with Facebook. Meanwhile, WhatsApp will be able to share user account information like your phone number, logs of how long and how often you use WhatsApp, device identifiers, IP addresses, and other details about your device with Facebook. Plus, WhatsApp can share transaction and payment data,…

None of this is about knowing apps you have installed. Cant be exaggeration if it isn’t true in any sense. That’s the only specific point brought up by your parent comment.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by tinus_hn »

throwaway13337 wrote: post #119
qwertox wrote: post #34

To me Telegram feels like the red corner district of a city. I simply don't feel like I can trust it, there's something very shady about it. I wouldn't be surprised if Telegram reads those exclusive Bitcoin whale groups and uses that insider info. Group chats are not end to end encrypted. That being said, WhatsApp is like the authorized garage where you know that you'll get the service which is officially recognized…

Care to qualify that speculation with some evidence? It seems like whenever telegram is brought up here, there's a lot of speculation about it not being trustworthy but no concrete evidence. The client is open source. While not end to end encrypted by default, it shares that property with most messengers. E2E limits search-ability and other features so it's a tradeoff. I have to wonder if part of why this is mostly b…

Does Telegram even offer server side searching?

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by tinus_hn »

meowface wrote: post #67
dan-robertson wrote: post #53

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I’m not sure I’d want group chats with thousands of members to be end-to-end encrypted. It doesn’t even seem that clear what the actual utility of it would be.

I agree, but where are you getting that number from? They said "group chats", not "massive group chats". I would certainly want group chats with less than 20 people to be end-to-end encrypted, if it were possible. I think a decent compromise would be just enabling it by default for private group chats, since it'd be costly and pretty pointless for public ones.

There is no point in encrypting the content of these public groups if anyone can just join and get access.

Re: Group Video Calls

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Post by skinnymuch »

joecool1029 wrote: post #17
hda111 wrote: post #16

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How is telegram funded? App is near perfection so I wonder how this can be an ad free app.

Pavel Durov is a billionaire and this is his (and his brother's) pet project. He made his money starting VK (Russia's Facebook)

They raised a billion in bond sales in March. It likely became difficult to keep self funding Telegram.
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