Live data from Hacker News

Microsoft announces Windows 11

theverge.com

151–160 of 706 posts

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yeah, no... I know a hospital that just upgraded to Windows 7...

That hospital is dumb and will likely face issues in the near future then. Win7 isn't supported by Microsoft since early 2020, which means no more security updates. Given hospitals are getting more and more frequently targeted by ransomware... Well, we'll see how that goes. There's still win8 and win8.1 to worry about though, and win10 also has LTSC releases that stay supported for at least 10 years IIRC.

What I don’t get is hospitals buying things like MRI scanners, with Windows based “controller” with no upgrade path. The hospital, and the manufacturer, knows that the version of Windows they’re running will be EOL before the hardware, yet nobody ask the manufacturer how they plan to deal with that fact.

The promise of Windows 10 being the last Windows could have but an end to that nonsense.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#153
post #49

I honestly was expecting more "innovation", more daring decisions and deep convictions that "this new way", even though it might get some backlash, will prove to improve the wellbeing of it's users, even if they don't know it yet. I haven't seen anything like that since the days of Steven Jobs and it kind of saddens me. Have we reached a plateau in tech? Are we just up for making more of the same, just a little diffe…

I was hoping 11 would get rid of a bunch of old Windows backwards compatibility cruft. Make Windows 10 the long-run version and Windows 11 the forward looking one. Almost like what Apple did with Mac OS X.

Mac OS X has direct linage from NeXTStep that was first released in 1989 -- four years before Windows NT.

When it was originally rebranded OS X there was so much backlash from developers and Apple had to go back and spend a year creating a new API (Carbon) to mimic the one in Mac OS classic.

There is no reason to complain about "backwards compatibility cruft". An OS exists to run software and an OS that runs less software is less useful. Over time this backwards compatibility stuff is less and less significant -- you can run several copies of Windows 95 entirely in the L2 cache of a modern system.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? I didn’t watch the video, and your question mark gives me hope: Was this actually said? A horizontal taskbar would be horrible.

They didn't say however in the leaked build last week the taskbar could not be moved to the left, right or top of the screen as it previously could. Hopefully it was just a limitation in that particular developer build.

Thank you, I really hope that changes.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#155
post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Will uninstalling be an option? They say it's integrated, so that seems unlikely.

Most likely easy to disable. Pretty sure I have Cortana and Microsoft Store but I disabled the services, removed the Taskbar icons and never think about it heh.

I wouldn't be surprised if both of those are still running in Task Manager's process list if you look, under unassuming names like SearchUI.exe. It's quite hard to disable Microsoft's malware in my experience, a lot of it relaunches itself, or comes back after an OS update. The number of running Microsoft processes goes up every year.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#156
post #25

> " Microsoft is also integrating Microsoft Teams directly into Windows 11, for both consumers and commercial users. " Not that I have any objections to Teams per se but attempting to drive adoption by bundling got Microsoft in trouble in the IE era; didn't they learn their lesson? Either way, probably the first thing I'll be doing after a fresh install of Windows 11 is uninstalling Teams.

safari/iMessage/Facetime/Maps or every default app on iOS? or any preinstalled and uninstallable app on Android?

Neither iOS nor MacOS are dominant in their respective categories. You can argue that the right metric to look at is market share by revenue and not by devices sold, and iOS does increase its footprint significantly at 42% of global smartphone revenue [1] (cementing itself as the single largest player), but still, arguably, not monopoly levels. I couldn't find a similar figure for the Desktop OS market, only (what I assume) is for devices currently running [2]. Sidenote: I think it's interesting to note that Windows market share has been steadily declining over the years, from a peak of ~91% a mere 8 years ago to around 76% in 2020.

Given this, by bundling a chat/productivity application (that has nothing to do with the OS product that Microsoft is selling), Microsoft is using its huge leverage in one category (OS) to increase its market share in another unrelated category (chat apps). This matches one of the conditions for US anti-trust action [3], and could even match the predatory pricing [uncited, hard to prove] condition (Microsoft bundling Teams for free indicates the cost of Teams is being absorbed by the Windows or some other business unit).

[1] https://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2021/04/apples-....

[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/218089/global-market-sha...

[3] https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/09/antitrust-law.as...

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#157
Looks like some pretty nice improvements, particularly in regards to window management.

From the video, it sounds like they're adding persistent grid layouts, with apps able to be assigned to specific tiles in the grid, and Windows remembers and restores those positions when you restart apps or switch monitor layouts (e.g. when connecting a laptop to a docking station). Looks like they've also expanded the multi-desktop feature to integrate nicely with these new persistent grid layouts, with labeled desktops for particular tasks.

The new native support for Android apps also seems like it could be really useful, depending on how well-integrated it is with the rest of the OS.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#158
post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can install software on Windows and MacOS outside of the app stores jfyi

I mean, you can also do that on Android; in fact Epic was doing that for quite a while with fortnite.

Yes, inarguably true, my omission wasn't implying otherwise.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

#159

So taskbar extends horizontally and places icons in the middle, which means: 1. It creates unnecessary visual clutter in the right and left sides and takes up valuable space. 2. Users will have harder time clicking to start button. I’m having hard time seeing what is UX benefit of this?

You can move it back to the corner in the settings.

But why the change at all? I wonder what their user story for this one was.
Post reply on HN