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Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

jvanderbot wrote: post #136
magneticnorth wrote: post #12

I am really curious to see where we'll be in a year, two, three down the line wrt remote/office/hybrid work at major companies. This forced experiment has had some surprising outcomes about the effectiveness of remote workplaces, but working from home for only a year, in pandemic conditions, is clearly not the same as indefinitely in normal times. But there's reason to think that may go even better, not worse; I am r…

My employer walked back all their remote work promises. In fact, the new policy is more restrictive than the old one, which allowed at least some flexibility in work arrangements between supervisors and their direct reports.

Yep. One of the FAANGs recently published a 2-weeks/year remote-working policy as part of going back to the office, whereas before the pandemic you could just ask your manager for permission and there was no 2 week limit. Kind of like the ever-increasing chocolate rations in 1984.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by jokethrowaway »

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

That's hilarious and it sounds like a great anecdote for parties!

I'm in the opposite situation, I quit my only job because I couldn't stand wasting my time and I'll just keep on running my business (less money but freedom and time to make more and grow).

Out of curiosity and if you're happy to share, are you still running your own company while "working" these jobs?

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by moneywoes »

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

how?

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by strobe »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #38
magneticnorth wrote: post #12

I am really curious to see where we'll be in a year, two, three down the line wrt remote/office/hybrid work at major companies. This forced experiment has had some surprising outcomes about the effectiveness of remote workplaces, but working from home for only a year, in pandemic conditions, is clearly not the same as indefinitely in normal times. But there's reason to think that may go even better, not worse; I am r…

My biggest question right now about sustained wfh is how much of the current productivity is the result of relationships that were built in the office. A year ago, I remotely onboarded for a new position and recently I can head back into the office, and there's a massive difference for me between the virtual relationships I built and the in-person ones. I learned more about people that I had spent months zooming/emai…

I feel in opposite way and my experience including few years of pre pandemic remote working.

At office you can work together with same peoples over years but not get any real clue about who they are truly, because lot of politics, pretending and fears included in office life. On remote work peoples usually more open, honest and direct, in most cases it easiest for them to share stuff that they have passion about or describe real issues in life (But I think that also not true if your work required to do lot of short projects with different peoples).

Also, if you already work with someone for a long time remotely it always nice to meet him in real life and get to know little more.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by crvdgc »

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

Too bad you can write only one of those positions on your resume.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by Rapzid »

ryandrake wrote: post #64
dheera wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A big problem with hybrid is that you're forced to live in the same locality as the office, and most companies aren't subsidizing rent, but at the same time you need a decent office setup at home to be effective and that isn't cheap. I moved apartments (from a studio to a 1-bedroom) at the start of COVID because it was basically impossible to work out of my bay area studio for a full day. I didn't even have a desk, b…

My worry is: let’s say my employer finally gives in and lets me work full time remote. Great! I can finally move to the Nevada desert or somewhere with low cost of living. I will likely take a modest salary reduction. Still wonderful! What happens 3 years later when there is new leadership or something and they pull a Marissa Mayer and declare remote work “bad” again, and recalls everyone to the headquarters? Now I’m…

> I will likely take a modest salary reduction

You might be surprised

> What happens 3 years later..

Find a new remote job? There were remote jobs before the pandemic; can't imagine they would all dry up.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by UncleOxidant »

dreyfan wrote: post #75

I currently have 10 fully remote engineering jobs. The bar is so low, oversight is non-existent, and everyone is so forgiving for under performance I can coast about 4-8 weeks before a given job fires me. Currently on a $1.5M run-rate for comp this year. And the interviewing process is so much faster today, companies are desperate, it takes me 2-3hrs of total effort to land a new job with thousands to chose from.

Wait, what? You should write about your experiences (anonymously, of course). This is kind of hilarious if true, though I'm a bit skeptical.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

rodgerd wrote: post #114
Godel_unicode wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this take at all, it's effectively saying that your pay should be driven by your needs as opposed to the value you create. I can see companies deciding that in-person value is different than remote, but where you are remotely doesn't matter. Especially in the same timezone. Working remotely from Kentucky vs Brooklyn makes no difference to the company, so why should they pay them differently? Do you…

> I don't understand this take at all, it's effectively saying that your pay should be driven by your needs as opposed to the value you create. Yes? Do you imagine a skilled programmer living in India gets paid the same for the same work as a skilled dev living in Indiana? Look, I'm all for less exploitation of workers, but I don't see how it's suddenly outrageous for American workers to experience employer relations…

Your pay is driven by your political status. It has nothing to do with value generated or with needs.

If an employer is defining it according to your needs, that's a sign you have relatively low status. It's not a sign that the employer is correct.

This is partly why remote has huge potential benefits for employers. Committed remote means huge savings on office space. But it also lowers the chances of collective political activity, including unionisation.

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

stephc_int13 wrote: post #45
someelephant wrote: post #28

Let's be real. The loser here is middle managers. Not all of them. Just the ones who feed off of the high they get from having control over the office environment.

I feel the same. Middle management is not always useful, they mostly have the role of herding dogs, but if the work is not dumb and soul-crushing I don't think most people need to be herded. (and I am talking as someone who built companies and led teams)

But most work is dumb and soul crushing.

Re: Facebook extends its work-at-home policy to most employees

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Post by tayo42 »

FartyMcFarter wrote: post #52
magneticnorth wrote: post #12

I am really curious to see where we'll be in a year, two, three down the line wrt remote/office/hybrid work at major companies. This forced experiment has had some surprising outcomes about the effectiveness of remote workplaces, but working from home for only a year, in pandemic conditions, is clearly not the same as indefinitely in normal times. But there's reason to think that may go even better, not worse; I am r…

In particular I'm curious on the impact to junior employees. Some people think that junior people are having trouble learning things when WFH.

Why? I would think most tech related learning happens with out other people involved. Learning languages, self study, Stack over flow and simmiliar, reading books. Idk if junior employees need to coddled as much as people think. Maybe just the bottom doesn't cut it. Developing your knowledge on your own is a skill you need any way.
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