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Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by kickout »

FractalParadigm wrote: post #49

I just want to throw my 2¢ out there, as a mid-20's who went to a high-rural-population high school, there's an entire new generation of farmers who have a) accepted that Deere's need constant/regular service calls, and b) don't care to learn how to fix it (or older equipment) themselves. At the end of the day farming is just a business same as any other, it's the same reason why a lot of trucking companies lease the…

This is correct and will probably only be broken from a crazy differentiating hardware offering (like a self-driving tractor). It's coming...

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by LgWoodenBadger »

bluGill wrote: post #136
saurik wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if it weren't illegal, we are rapidly entering an era where it won't be practical anyway: I work directly on these issues--participating in the DMCA exemption process every cycle and serving as a witness during the hearings--and the whole process just feels kind of dumb knowing that "sure, so let's say it is legal to jailbreak your tractor: they still have to make a mistake in a world where bootloaders are becom…

The DMCA is the least of your worries. The EPA has figured out that the only only reason people actually want to update software on their tractors is to turn off emissions controls.

Manufacturers of higher-powered diesel tractors have had to introduce features to allow for regen cycles to be postponed, so I wouldn’t be surprised at all

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

Casperin wrote: post #135
randomdata wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must know my neighbour. He was running a Kubota for a year or two, but it didn't take him long to replace it with a Deere. I have most of the major brands in my shed. I don't particularly care much about what colour I'm using. Purchases have been made based on cost, which has included some green equipment when a great auction find has been found. My experience says that JD has the UX nailed. When you're spending…

This made me think of how many developers (who spend 10 hrs/day in front of their screen) choose Apples products. A linux machine might be better on performance, maintainance, and all that, but Linux does not care about UX the way Apple does.

>Linux does not care about UX the way Apple does.

What UX? A terminal?

Linux is also only an operating system kernel.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by zepto »

dncornholio wrote: post #33

I mean, if two of the biggest companies of the world, Apple and Tesla can get away with it, why not the rest of the markets? This trend needs to stop. I cannot fathom how anyone thought preventing farmers, FARMERS for crying out loud, the people who grow our goddamn food, from repairing their equipment is way, way beyond me..

The question is - why do farmers not buy Kubota tractors if they want something repairable?

The only explanation given in this thread seems to be ‘branding’.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by dncornholio »

simion314 wrote: post #97
tim333 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple's not that bad really. Typed from an 8 year old Apple with replaced battery, ssd and keyboard.

But can you have it replaced for cheap on a new model? Nobody said that you can't pay Apple a big amount of money so they fix your stuff, the issue is that in newer devices it is getting harder to repair the devices using an independent service(not everyone has the money or lives near an Apple store). Apple can just not fuck with this independent people, let them have access to the same repair documentation and parts…

Apple is actively disabling people to even change their battery. Same type of battery wont work in another same type macbook anymore..

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by zepto »

po1nt wrote: post #84

Just don't buy Apple, John Deere or similar products. There are better alternatives and you're getting yourself into a trap where seemingly only government can help you, just because you wanted to buy more prestigious goods.

This. When pressed, people end up admitting that the reason they buy these products is that they are better.

What they are missing is that they are only better because people buy them, thus funding the improvement of the next generation.

If you want open alternatives, buy them. If you want them to get better, campaign for others to buy them.

Trying to force companies whose business is based on closed products to do what you want, is not going to go well.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by tim333 »

dncornholio wrote: post #155
simion314 wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But can you have it replaced for cheap on a new model? Nobody said that you can't pay Apple a big amount of money so they fix your stuff, the issue is that in newer devices it is getting harder to repair the devices using an independent service(not everyone has the money or lives near an Apple store). Apple can just not fuck with this independent people, let them have access to the same repair documentation and parts…

Apple is actively disabling people to even change their battery. Same type of battery wont work in another same type macbook anymore..

Ah. That's bad.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by emidln »

Casperin wrote: post #135
randomdata wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You must know my neighbour. He was running a Kubota for a year or two, but it didn't take him long to replace it with a Deere. I have most of the major brands in my shed. I don't particularly care much about what colour I'm using. Purchases have been made based on cost, which has included some green equipment when a great auction find has been found. My experience says that JD has the UX nailed. When you're spending…

This made me think of how many developers (who spend 10 hrs/day in front of their screen) choose Apples products. A linux machine might be better on performance, maintainance, and all that, but Linux does not care about UX the way Apple does.

The only reason most devs I work with don't use a Linux laptop is that our corporate security, vpn, and auditing software isn't available for Linux. We settle for garbage-tier UX from docker + x11.app so we can do our jobs, not because Apple cares about anything.

Re: Farmers Deserve the Right to Repair Their Tractors

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

spinningslate wrote: post #128
hackbinary wrote: post #88

Farmers do not want to pay for anything. My dealings with people in the farming community is that completely devalue everything around as a négociation tactic. They do not want to pay anymore than they have to for anything. In general, I don't work for or with them anymore because of the horrible way I have been treated by them. (bit generalised, but I spend 10 years working in the community) JD is moving to a Tracto…

> They do not want to pay anymore than they have to for anything. Farmers are also being squeezed by their customers - prices for farm produce have been steadily falling for over a century, see e.g. [0]. JD's commercial model requires both capital outlay in purchasing equipment, and committing to a maintenance contract that the farmer can't influence. So the farmer loses control of maintenance costs whilst also under…

That chart doesn't mean it's a low margin business. The manhours needed to produce a bushel/pound/acre of X has plummeted over the past 100 years.
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