Think they may soon ban voice recognition and voice signature ... body infrared signature ... body electromagnetic spectrum ... and eventually ban the electromagnetic force :-) ...
King County, WA bans facial recognition software
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Re: King County, WA bans facial recognition software
#152Genuine question - why not ban cameras altogether? Or ban the use of computers in police stations, make them write up all their reports by hand. I truly don't understand why there would be a line at facial recognition, it's just a law against making a process more efficient. It's clear to me that there should be a line to prevent fully convicting someone of a crime without any humans in the loop at all. Don't replace…
> Or a means to Defund The Police, if that's your thing. Are there many sincere researchers studying flaws in facial recognition advocating its unequivocal ban forever? Joy Boulamwini: > At a minimum, Congress should require all Federal agencies and organizations using Federal funding to disclose current use of face-based technologies. We cannot afford to operate in the dark. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CHRG-…
Timnit Gebru is not a sincere researcher, in any respect.
She has proven to be willing to act in bad faith on numerous occassions when she is losing an argument. Not to say that a researcher is forbidden to hold any political opinions whatsoever - but her research is primarily political activism, and when political activism goes into research, what you get out is political activism, not research.
The whole Algorithmic Justice League concept is the process of overstating the impact of difficult-to-handle problems in order to secure laudable research positions and book deals.
Which - there actually should be someone willing to pose those arguments, but treating them as sincere researchers and not motivated
Re: King County, WA bans facial recognition software
#153Why ban it? It's not the facial recognition that's the problem; the problem is that the justice system believes that it's enough to convict someone of a crime. It's hard to believe that prosecutors can be like, "The computer says it's you, so you're guilty." Especially when there's probably a known margin of error.
because that's the only option. There is no scenario in which it's allowed in a narrow set of circumstances that isn't going to get abused by law enforcement. Either you ban it, or law enforcement is going to find ways to abuse the right to use it, including appointing people whose job it is to say "this was fine". If this was a reasonable society, with a reasonable police force: absolutely, narrow definitions of per…
Except this is allowed in a narrow set of circumstances - to look for missing children. So they can probably dragnet everyone they see to find the missing children or abductors. Now the residents need a way to prevent the police misusing it by sneakily letting it find rapists and murderers.
Re: King County, WA bans facial recognition software
#154The FBI and CIA don’t have to adhere to these rules so expect local police departments to dump more cases their way.
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#155Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not a read, but this feature from KOMO goes over the Seattle situation pretty well https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WijoL3Hy_Bw
That piece, and KOMO's larger project, are toxic right-wing propaganda. Please don't consider that a reliable source.
I don't think calling it propaganda is quite right. "Muckraking" is probably more accurate.
Re: King County, WA bans facial recognition software
#156Let's go further with facial recognition? Let companies use on our children. Let companies/government scan our kids from birth to death. Put cameras in schools, on every street corner, government buildings, parks, doctor's offices, and of course scan every face that goes through governmental facilities (DMV, Criminal/civil courts). Put cameras in all stores. Put a Ring type camera on every residence. Government could…
I'm always amazed at how many people watch movies/TV like Blade Runner, Black Mirror, Terminator, Altered Carbon, Her, Ex Machina, Firefly, Cowbow Bebop, etc and think "Yeah, that looks like a future I want." Dystopian Sci-Fi is a warning, not a blueprint. Even the utopian Sci-Fis often reference a struggled past in transitioning to their societies. And a lot of these problems have to deal with surveillance or an adjacent technology (like Minority Report or the more realistic Psycho-Pass).
Re: King County, WA bans facial recognition software
#157Let's go further with facial recognition? Let companies use on our children. Let companies/government scan our kids from birth to death. Put cameras in schools, on every street corner, government buildings, parks, doctor's offices, and of course scan every face that goes through governmental facilities (DMV, Criminal/civil courts). Put cameras in all stores. Put a Ring type camera on every residence. Government could…
What do you mean future? Data brokers already have virtually all of this information.
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#158Earlier quoted context omitted.
That piece, and KOMO's larger project, are toxic right-wing propaganda. Please don't consider that a reliable source.
I don't think calling it propaganda is quite right. "Muckraking" is probably more accurate.
Muckraking implies at least a casual desire to stick to the facts, which is entirely absent from Sinclair-owned stations.
Re: King County, WA bans facial recognition software
#159How's gait identification doing these days?
You should always worry when they stop fighting you on something. Odds are good they've already switched to something else.
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#160Earlier quoted context omitted.
If someone is beating me, I'm not likely to be able to focus on his number and memorize it. When a thug put his gun in my face to rob me, I later could describe the gun in great detail, but not his face.
But with all the smartphones around, someone can get the officer's badge number hopefully while they're beating you.
Smartphones don't have the resolution to pick up a badge number.