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YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by judge2020 »

Labo333 wrote: post #64

Unfortunately, the web gets everyday closer to some kind of "interactive TV". Computations are moving to the server side and clients are merely there to get input and display information. An illustration is the very controversial Mighty browser. As a result, programs will shortly become dependent on having an internet connection. Today, people use more Google Docs than Notepad. This removes a lot of freedom because c…

Only if you want to use google docs’ features and optionally share it with someone later down the line easily. Save that, you can simply send them your .rtf file over email and ask them to make changes then send it back to you once they’ve done that. Did I mention you can’t work on it at the same time?

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by babypuncher »

VRay wrote: post #125
babypuncher wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Frankly I just hate the idea of YouTube creators getting paid for their work. /s

I'd pay half a cent per video or whatever it works out to be, but I'm not going to pay by letting Google or any other corporations track my every move and action

I don't think blocking ads on YouTube prevents Google from being able to track you on YouTube

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by FridgeSeal »

MarkSweep wrote: post #116
qlm wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't they just be proxied through a first party server?

Some trackers are having people setup CNAME records on their domains, so the tracker cookies appear to be first party: https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.09301

uBlock Origin already performs CNAME decloaking and blocks this approach, it’s pretty cool.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by fomine3 »

acdha wrote: post #145
yliu wrote: post #6

Despite the title being about YouTube, this is fundamentally about Safari's declarative Content Blocker API being totally inadequate in the face of modern ad delivery technologies. Yes, it's fast and relatively more secure compared to old ad blocking techniques (which requires granting full access to effectively arbitrary JS), but ad tech has evolved since 2015 and Safari's Content Blocking API has not evolved with i…

I think you’re right from the short-term perspective but largely irrelevant long-term. If Safari allowed arbitrary code execution, it’d be a little better for as long as it took publishers to deploy first-party ad injection. We’d still get the security problems, though. You can already see what that’s like with podcasts where local ads are spliced right into the audio file. You’re not stopping that short of doing som…

It's cat and mouse game, but currently ad blockers win all battles.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by SpelingBeeChamp »

adamcstephens wrote: post #47
that_guy_iain wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons I justify spending money on Premium is that it supports the creators. I get a bunch of people who think it's silly I pay for Premium, but I really hate watching ads so for me that alone makes it worthwhile. One channel I really like I have the youtube membership and pateron subscriptions. It's a UK true crime podcast that does every recording with professional camera and audio in a recording studio…

How do I find out what portion of a subscription goes to a creator?

It's not clear to me what you are asking, but if your question has a definite answer and it relates to Youtube as a business, I can probably help answer. Youtube has been my full-time job for years.

About Premium generally, if you can afford it and you are considering it, there is no reason to hesitate. I say that both as a channel owner and as someone who pays for Premium every month. You never see an AdSense ad again, and you make that happen while still supporting the channels you enjoy. Pretty win-win, IMO.

Two things that most people don't know about Premium:

1. On a per-view basis, Premium views are actually 'worth more' than ad-watching views. We're talking tiny fractions of a cent, but they add up.

2. Most so-called "demonetized" views remain eligible for Premium revenue.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by kibwen »

acdha wrote: post #145
yliu wrote: post #6

Despite the title being about YouTube, this is fundamentally about Safari's declarative Content Blocker API being totally inadequate in the face of modern ad delivery technologies. Yes, it's fast and relatively more secure compared to old ad blocking techniques (which requires granting full access to effectively arbitrary JS), but ad tech has evolved since 2015 and Safari's Content Blocking API has not evolved with i…

I think you’re right from the short-term perspective but largely irrelevant long-term. If Safari allowed arbitrary code execution, it’d be a little better for as long as it took publishers to deploy first-party ad injection. We’d still get the security problems, though. You can already see what that’s like with podcasts where local ads are spliced right into the audio file. You’re not stopping that short of doing som…

> if that became widespread we’d just see more embedded placement

Which is completely desirable. The problem isn't "ads", it's "targeted, personalized ads that rely on thoroughly destroying the the privacy of everyone on the internet in order to function". If a show/podcast wants to vet its own advertisers and endorse a specific product, that's great; it establishes a concrete relationship with the advertisers that has more value to both users and content creators than the anonymous, unvettable system of opaque middlemen currently peddled by targeted ad networks.

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by cultofmetatron »

qlm wrote: post #97
_Algernon_ wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That would require delivering ads from first-party servers, right? So third-party ad and tracking networks would die a painful death.

Couldn't they just be proxied through a first party server?

still more effort than before. twiddling with server configs requires more work than inserting a js snippit.

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Post by bunnyfoofoo »

viktorcode wrote: post #44

There's some misconceptions being put forth in the article which I, as a developer of a Safari ad blocker, would like to address. Content blockers are limited by design to ensure privacy and speed, but they may work together with other kinds of Safari extension. So, when AdGuard guys say that the only debugging tool you can use is Console, know that this isn’t true. There’s SFSafariExtensionHandler API which you can…

Do you have a link for your ad blocker? Thanks!

Re: YouTube ads in Safari: you see them now, will you see them in the future?

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Post by kibwen »

rexf wrote: post #150
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #108

Removing whatever Ublock Origin needed to exist in Safari is one of the dumbest moves Apple has made. To get most of the battery advantages of Macs you're forced to use Safari. But when it comes down to having to see YouTube ads I'm willing to make the tradeoff and switch to Chrome.

Firefox + Ublock Origin works fine on macs

Not sure why this is downvoted, it works great for me.
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