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Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by slaymaker1907 » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

supernova87a wrote: post #122

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I am feeling chatty today. As long as safety + working conditions are not cruel and unusual, and someone is willing to work for $0, why are you trying to stop (or hide) that fact? Someone willing to work for less (or for free) is offering a bargain to incentivize giving him/her the business or the benefit of experience instead of more $. You restricting them from doing that does…

The problem with this is that it creates lots of equity issues. How exactly are poor people supposed to get into government if the entry level positions (internships) are unpaid?

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

[deleted] wrote: post #134

aiisahik wrote: post #29

People who think this is predatory have clearly NOT worked in the TV / Film industry. Doing shit jobs for free in the hopes of getting some cred is the norm. Not right but not news. BTW just because it's going to be on Netflix doesn't mean Netflix is the employer. Netflix just buys the content. The staffing / contract decisions are made by the production company.

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Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by dylan604 » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

6gvONxR4sf7o wrote: post #106

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

> Internships are, in the best light, just a really good recruiting tool. They're also good manager training.

They're also a good stick your toe in the water for the employee to see if they really want to work there.

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by emodendroket » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #42

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…

In many cases, even though it's technically illegal, interns end up just doing menial work that does little to further their skills.

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by PragmaticPulp » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #42

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

>I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. When I worked with interns they were all paid... but every one was more time and expense to work with than any value they provided. In weeks they accomplished what I could do in an afternoon, and we spent WAY more than an afternoon of work with them. Amazingly many seemed to have a very high opinion of their productivit…

No HR person would allow unpaid intern positions in 2021. It's very clearly illegal in the United States.

When I mentor college students, the only times we hear about unpaid internships are:

1) Unfunded wannabe startups or small family businesses who don't understand what they need, but they assume they can convince some naive kid to do it for free. No one with actual skills or prospects takes these jobs. Job boards remove these posts if they're moderated.

2) Students who struggle to get a normal internship, so their dad/uncle/cousin/neighbor lets them do an unpaid "internship" off the books at their company to get something to put on their resume. They don't really do much work, but now they can put a line on their resume and claim some work experience for the next interview.

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by skeeter2020 » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:24 PM UTC

This isn't anything like an unpaid internship IMO. The photographers can debate the benefits from exposure and promotion (I imagine saying you were the photographer who did season X of a popular wedding show has quite a bit of value) but this is an in-kind trading of services. There's nothing wrong with the practice or this instance.

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by Ansil849 » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

> While the series is funded by and will be aired on Netflix, it is unlikely that the streaming behemoth is aware of how the producers of the show are soliciting talent. Kinetic Content is likely solely responsible for how it spends the budget granted by Netflix and the choice to seek unpaid labor from photographers is likely entirely on the production company.

This struck me as weirdly being pandering to Neflix. This is like saying 'the choice to use paramilitary forces to murder union organizers is likely solely the choice of the local plant subsidiaries, and Koca Kola is unlikely to be aware of it.'

Neflix has a clear choice to work with contractors who engage in predatory labor practices or not, just like they also have risk and due diligence teams to obtain business intelligence on their contractors.

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Post by dylan604 » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

lurkerasdfh8 wrote: post #49

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

holywood is based on it too. I gues netflix will merge the worst of both worlds. The actors guild union actually demand you work as a almost-no-pay extra/support for several productions before you are even admitted to the union. not to mention the informal but prevalent culture of "assistants" where people stabilished in the industry takes in people they treat as literal vassals doing errands.

>The actors guild union actually demand

Not sure this is true. Can you point to where in the bylaws this is stated?

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by kevinskii » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

xpe wrote: post #112

kevinskii wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One time someone asked me for a favor. I thought it was unreasonable so I declined. I didn't realize this sort of thing was "abusive and predatory." I feel so victimized now.

> One time someone asked me for a favor. I thought it was unreasonable so I declined. I didn't realize this sort of thing was "abusive and predatory." I feel so victimized now. This is uninteresting from my POV and against the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html > Be kind. Don't be snarky. Please help keep HN interesting. Thanks.

You're right, I should have left off the last sentence. But words mean things. Let's save the description "abusive and predatory" for things that are, well, abusive and predatory. A voluntary invitation to collaborate does not meet that standard, regardless of its reasonableness.

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Post by changoplatanero » Wed, May 05, 2021, 6:25 PM UTC

steelframe wrote: post #15

I bet there are photographers who would pay for the privilege.

yeah its weird how nobody objects to me paying someone to teach my photography and neither do they object to someone paying me to teach me photography (internship) but they object to the idea that these two payments could cancel out and someone could teach me for free.