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Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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Yahoo is still in wide use by people and AOL owns a number of properties and has a decent ad business. It may be that these companies were trying to extract value from them. This happens a decent amount these days. It's less about salvaging a brand.

I still use Yahoo Finance. Not extensively, but I haven't found a site I like better for getting random stock quotes & sifting through lightweight financial information.

Yeah same. They have an API that is fairly consistent for stock stuff. If you're gonna do deep diligence there are better tools but for sniffing around, yeah they're good.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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post #119

I used to work at Aol, and it doesn’t surprise me that some significant number of people still use dial up. Not because they’re “trapped” but because that’s the only choice in some parts of the country. According to Pew, 3% of us are on dialup & more than twice that use no ISP (maybe that 7% just uses their mobile access?). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/21/3-of-americ... https://www.pewresearch.org/fa…

I think it's incorrect to just associate AOL with dialup. AOL still exists as a web "portal" and more importantly as an email service.

My parents (90's) still use AOL email, and have done so for over 25 years now. They used to use dialup, but now are on high speed internet (cable), using just the web interface for the email.

For their sake at least, I hope it doesn't go away any time soon. It works for them very well.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

#154
post #119

I used to work at Aol, and it doesn’t surprise me that some significant number of people still use dial up. Not because they’re “trapped” but because that’s the only choice in some parts of the country. According to Pew, 3% of us are on dialup & more than twice that use no ISP (maybe that 7% just uses their mobile access?). https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/08/21/3-of-americ... https://www.pewresearch.org/fa…

Your 3% number is from 2013 though

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

#155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Holding those names was an investment failure, as was holding the majority of tech names at that point in history. Trading those names, on the other hand could be lucrative. A friend of mine paid cash for his college education and his car by playing Hand, the maker of palm pilots.

Handspring?

Presumably.

I miss my Visor, tbh.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

#156

I'm really surprised that Yahoo Finance has not been spun out as an independent company at this point. I think as a stand-alone company it could easily be worth in the billions of dollars. Reportedly Yahoo Finance has revenue between $100M and $250M annually. With the increase in retail interest in investing it seems like a property that could have some growth potential behind it if they did things right and separate…

Yahoo Finance is so good that when I'm trying to find information about a company, I'll type the company's name into Google, do a bit of reading, then... go over to Yahoo Finance and manually type it in again to look at their stock performance. It says something that someone as lazy as myself will actually hop out of Google's flow and perform a manual step to go Yahoo Finance.

Sigh. Remember when Google Finance was great with easily the best charting software and easy lookup of key stats for a company? Then they decided a couple years ago to destroy it for no reason. I wish I knew why they made this horrible decision.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yahoo Finance is so good that when I'm trying to find information about a company, I'll type the company's name into Google, do a bit of reading, then... go over to Yahoo Finance and manually type it in again to look at their stock performance. It says something that someone as lazy as myself will actually hop out of Google's flow and perform a manual step to go Yahoo Finance.

I wonder if it would be a conflict of interest for a brokerage that focuses on retail investors like TD Ameritrade to buy the platform. Robinhood and the other upstarts are eating their lunch with UI improvements, but anyone who can type in a stock ticker has figured out Yahoo Finance over the last decade.

Isn't "Think Or Swim" already TD Ameritrade's Yahoo Finance killer? I'm not sure where there is a conflict of interest for a stock broker to supply analytics to their clients.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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post #83

I'm really surprised that Yahoo Finance has not been spun out as an independent company at this point. I think as a stand-alone company it could easily be worth in the billions of dollars. Reportedly Yahoo Finance has revenue between $100M and $250M annually. With the increase in retail interest in investing it seems like a property that could have some growth potential behind it if they did things right and separate…

That and their fanatsy sports platform as well. I don't know the numbers at all, but its the de-facto platform for a large portion of fantasy sports. If they made moves into the DFS space I think they would do even better.

They did. Yahoo!’s DFS product is a dismal failure.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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Define "gut up". Why would Apollo want to destroy the asset they just bought?

Venture Capital firms love to use throw debt at an asset so that they can have a cash windfall. The result is that the assets can never pay off the debt and end up declaring bankruptcy. See K-Mart, Sears, Toys R' Us, and anything that a vulture capitalist touches.

Your view of how LBOs work is really misinformed. You picked 3 famous PE deals that failed, but those are exceptions.

Apollo alone has done 150 private equity transactions, the vast majority of which have been tremendously successful otherwise investors would not be giving them more money to continue to invest.

Re: Verizon Sells AOL and Yahoo to Apollo for $5B

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I still think Yahoo is not worth 5 billion. Sure, it makes some revenue from mail and ads, yahoo mail is essentially the AOL of our generation. Ppl hanging onto it and the new kids dont even know about yahoo.

They made $1.9BN just this quarter.

Do you have their annual statements? I could not find any beyond the 2017 sec filing. Yahoo has been only marginally profitable for many years now.

I don't see any future cashflows, incomes, dividends or even any plan for foray into new business areas.

For all intents and purposes, it's a dead company.

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