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Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by narwally »

JasonFruit wrote: post #133
willcipriano wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I probably wouldn't be complaining if I was born in the 1930's, WW1 and 2 were fairly well justified. However what are the current wars even still about? WMD? No, that was a fabrication. Bin Laden? He's long dead. Oil? With fracking, the US has the largest oil reserves on the planet. ISIS? Essentially gone, not much of a threat to US citizens in any case. There was no reason for these wars, there is certainly no reas…

Don't look too closely at how we got into World Wars 1 and 2, if you want to maintain that opinion.

Roosevelt won in 1940 in large part because he was running against an interventionist that wanted to join the war alongside the allies, but the US population was either largely against any intervention, or was outwardly pro-Nazi[0]. If it wasn't for Japan forcing our hand, the US would have been perfectly happy profiting from supplying other countries' war efforts, and building up their military while the rest of the world was destroying their own; All while turning a blind eye to the atrocities occurring in Europe and Asia.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Nazi_rally_at_Madison_Squ...

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by canada_dry »

efnx wrote: post #2

So this was deployed in 2014 and we’re just connecting all the dots now? It really makes you wonder what’s being deployed at the moment. The fact that they can determine all this from some binary is amazing. Security researchers really are techno-archaeologists.

> determine all this from some binary

Reminiscent of how cipher decoders knew their German operators well enough that it assisted in the decipher process.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by lawxls »

adrianN wrote: post #99
tehjoker wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The existence of their insane levels of funding and well known history of coups, lies, dirty tricks, and mass murder makes it extremely easy to believe US intelligence is capable of deploying computer bullshit lol. Of course, if there is credible evidence exhonorating them we can look at that.

There are plenty of other actors capable of "deploying computer bullshit". Why shouldn't one of them be the culprit here?

Because this thread is about CIA malware?

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by fouric »

Two weeks ago, the NSA accused the Russian SVR (intelligence agency) of exploiting vulnerabilities in US networks and suggesting that they were behind the SolarWinds compromise[1].

Now, Kaspersky (which is suspected to be affiliated with Russian intelligence - possibly unwillingly) claims to have found CIA malware (effectively "burning" it, if it's real).

The timing does not seem to be a coincidence. Tit-for-tat?

[1] https://www.nsa.gov/News-Features/Feature-Stories/Article-Vi...

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by reedjosh »

Godel_unicode wrote: post #129
reedjosh wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is the entire issue with the phrase to begin with, there's no universal definition of what it means. It assumes a shared value system. True it's not precise language and maybe could have been better, but I think that would require a much larger post. Still I agree with it based on my value system. > Almost everyone who fights anyone else believes that they are right and has a reason for it. Sure, but at least…

> actively avoiding people that do So, Vichy France? This is the type of stance that only makes sense in a world with no evil in it; do you believe that the US was wrong to fight the Nazis in the 1940s, for instance?

>So, Vichy France?

Vichy France was an ally of Nazi Germany that was betrayed.

>do you believe that the US was wrong to fight the Nazis in the 1940s

I did not say we should never fight, just not instigate. If not questioning the official narrative, it takes little effort to see that the US entered into WW2 defensively.

> On December 8, 1941, the United States Congress declared war (Pub.L. 77–328, 55 Stat. 795) on the Empire of Japan in response to that country's surprise attack on Pearl Harbor the prior day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_declaration_of_w...

On 11 December 1941, four days after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor and the United States declaration of war against the Japanese Empire, Nazi Germany declared war against the United States,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_declaration_of_war_agai...

Admittedly I don't believe the official narrative, and I also advocate for intellectual self defense.

For example, the US entered into WW1 after instigating the sinking of the lusitania.

> whether or not the passenger ship Lusitania was carrying munitions and therefore a legitimate target when it was sunk by a German submarine in May 1915 – has been solved in the affirmative by newly released government papers.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/01/lusita...

Reason and intellect are the solution.

Not rar-rar we did the right thing in preemptively striking against `evil`.

I didn't want the US to enter Iraq to take out terrorists (that were never proven associated to Sadam), I didn't want the US to enter Libya to overthrow a ruler that wouldn't obey world trade systems rules, I didn't want the US to intervene in the Syrian civil war, and I don't want the US doing regime change in Belarus right now. https://congressionaldish.com/cd229-target-belarus/

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by stunt »

fouric wrote: post #154

Two weeks ago, the NSA accused the Russian SVR (intelligence agency) of exploiting vulnerabilities in US networks and suggesting that they were behind the SolarWinds compromise[1]. Now, Kaspersky (which is suspected to be affiliated with Russian intelligence - possibly unwillingly) claims to have found CIA malware (effectively "burning" it, if it's real). The timing does not seem to be a coincidence. Tit-for-tat? [1]…

But CIA developing malware isn't news to anyone. How is this a tit-for-tat then?

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by thereare5lights »

HDMI_Cable wrote: post #93
scoofy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If I had to wager I'd always bet on national security agency of any powerful country lying, I don't see how anyone could come to another conclusion given their history. Let's not pretend the FSB and MSS don't also lie constantly. That you're more familiar with the CIA lying is a testament to the free press of the US, not the other way around. The point of the previous post is that it could easily be another security…

Wouldn't the fact that we know more about the CIA mean that they lie less , since there are verifiable claims to the contrary if they do lie? Like for example how the CIA can't claim it didn't infect Iran with Stuxnet without someone calling BS.

How does it mean they lie less?

You don't know everything there is to know about the CIA. All it means that that they can't lie about what you do know.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by fit2rule »

willcipriano wrote: post #123
dataflow wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh, you went from > I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars to > the CIA knew that the yellow cake uranium was a lie and at best, did not make any of this knowledge public ? Isn't that a bit of a... large jump? Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all? I mean, maybe you can argue they should do that (for the public good), but unless they alread…

On the "I have witnessed the CIA justify those wars" comment we have started what 4 wars since Iraq? Every drone strike is justified with intelligence. I can find some YouTube clips later of CIA directors justifying war in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria if you don't believe me. > Also, do/should intelligence agencies generally come out and make public announcements of intelligence at all? They did so pretty frequently d…

>Every drone strike is justified with intelligence.

No.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by fallingknife »

fouric wrote: post #154

Two weeks ago, the NSA accused the Russian SVR (intelligence agency) of exploiting vulnerabilities in US networks and suggesting that they were behind the SolarWinds compromise[1]. Now, Kaspersky (which is suspected to be affiliated with Russian intelligence - possibly unwillingly) claims to have found CIA malware (effectively "burning" it, if it's real). The timing does not seem to be a coincidence. Tit-for-tat? [1]…

Interesting. But if you had cited "my ass" as a source it would be more reliable, because the NSA is probably better at lying.

Re: Kaspersky believes it found new CIA malware

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Post by fit2rule »

tck42 wrote: post #56
mc32 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recall how when we had North Korean hacking activities and official attributions people would say, but how do we know it was them and how do we know the government isn’t making things up? But when someone accuses the US we never add any salt. Not that I don’t think it’s false, it’s just that the lack of consistent skepticism is interesting.

The Broadcom link in the posted tweet records [some of?] their reasoning. Things like very North America specific strings, activity happening M-F for certain things (compilation, etc), capability (access to zero days implying deep pockets to buy said zero days), and breadth of target, etc. That said - it ABSOLUTELY BOGGLES MY MIND that, if these are not leaked, but rather recovered from attempted attacks, how are _an…

The hex dumps are the front-line in cyber war. You're supposed to see those strings.
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