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Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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>Imagine the other way around, German company selling Kinder Surprise Eggs in US TIL that Kinder Surprise Eggs are illegal in the US.

Unlike AR-15's that kill a great deal more children.

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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It is not the governments duty to maintain an image, citizens or foreign parties are always free to criticise or praise any government. If the government feels something is factually wrong then it can present statements from its press agency but not suppress criticism. This is the difference between an authoritative regime & a democracy. Whenever we are done with dealing with the pandemic who ever is responsible for…

The vast majority of Indians approve of Modi's premiership. Everyone is aware that it's an authoritarian regime, they don't mind. He has complete control over the courts, so I don't see how a trial could accomplish anything other than further cement his regime.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

It's appalling that you trivialize human rights. You should be ashamed.

Please don't break the site guidelines like this, regardless of how wrong someone else is or you feel they are. It damages the commons, which is fragile.

Your admirable concern for human rights is possible to express in a way that doesn't contribute to destroying the community.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

“For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” I think that's a bit of an unfair phrasing. How about "Good people upholding their morals instead of dropping them at the door when they go to work" I really am not a fan of how far we've taken the general image that 'business is business' and a bunch of regular morals are OK to toss out. We should preserve the social stigma we hold against people equ…

Twitter allows posting of naked photos. I have no problems with this, but should a country's laws against pornography be ignored because "our morals are superior"?

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Did the Hunter Biden story ever have any legs? As far as I can tell: 1. A grown man, who was not running for president, was doing drugs. 2. He was hired by company to try and gain favor with the White House, which backfired when the White House decided to act against their interest anyways (in other words the guy running for vice president didn't give the company a sweetheart deal because his son was on the board). W…

Why did people try so hard to censor this story?

Because people are idiots and would be swayed by hannity sound bites even though the story has nothing to do with Joe?

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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Maybe because it's wrong to actively help suppress speech in a hostile country regardless of its legality in that country? Legal and ethical are not the same thing - something can be legal and unethical, or illegal and ethical.

Who says what's wrong or unethical? Would you consider unethical or wrong to take people's guns away? UK, EU or Australia might disagree with the US on this. What about abortion? What about regulation on what goes into your body? What about blasphemy? What about ending your own life? What about pre-marital sex? What about changing your religion? What about drawing Muhammeds cartoon? What about many other things that…

Just because it's not always easy to get consensus doesn't mean all positions are equally valid.

In countries with rule of law, elections, and free press, the law in that country holds more importance than unelected dictatorships with state controlled media.

Small L liberalism has a lot of values around the things you suggest: free speech, freedom of expression, laws against violence. A lot of these values make the answers to your questions pretty easy. In the corner cases if the country has rule of law, elections, and a free press - deference to their law is probably fine (though not a panacea).

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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You don't think urbit is extremely niche?

It does seem niche to me, but I’m not sure I understand it at first glance. It feels a bit abstract. Is there an explanation for someone with no context or expertise?

I don't know the location of any particularly good explanations, but I'd explain it as one part start-from-scratch distributed/federated computing environment, one part community rebuilding an ecosystem and new internet on top of that environment, and one part performance art by making everything different as if plucked from a parallel universe that diverged at the dawn of computing.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

I expect Twitter to do exactly the same thing they would do if the US authorities were issuing a legally questionable censorship order. Fight it in the courts. Fight it in the public arena.

Indian Twitter users and Indian civil society should have just the same expectation of receiving support from Twitter's lawyers as U.S users and U.S citizens get. That's what it means to be a global corporation.

>If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their political figures and laws accordingly.

Yes, but that is a process. And part of that process is making a fuss about cases like this. You act as if an order issued by some bureaucrat was itself the law and the will of the poeple. That's completely ridiculous. We would never accept that in a rich western country before it has gone through the courts of law and the court of public opinion.

In my view it is outright racist to expect corporations to put up a public legal fight against questionable decisions by authorities in rich countries but consider the same thing a cultural inevitability in poor countries.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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The expectation that a corporation operating in India will not obey Indian laws but American ones is appalling. EU, Canada, China, Turkey or North Korea - if you want to do business there you have to respect their laws. “For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea. If Indians believe that they need wider free speech rights or other protections, they need to change their p…

Imagine the other way around, Italian company selling Kinder Surprise Eggs in US, Swiss company doing banking by the Swiss laws in US, Malta company running gambling in the US by the Maltese laws. Would they be considered fighting the unreasonable food regulations, toppling the oppressive financial laws or pushing against tyrannical gambling laws of the US? I don’t think so.

It's obvious with physical goods. If the goods aren't inline with the country's laws then you can't sell them there. Simple. It's a lot less obvious with digital services. If I run an online service that's a legal entity in the US, with servers in the US, and someone accesses from a different country, whose laws count more? Should I have to write my code to obey every country's specific legal frameworks? What if two countries conflict? Does it make a difference if there are edge servers in the foreign state that do caching? This is not a simple problem.

“For profit US corporation fighting foreign government atrocities” is a deeply flawed idea.

"For profit US corporation doing what the shareholders want" isn't though, and if the shareholders think that being complicit in covering up atrocities reduces their stock value then the corporation has to fight the foreign government instead. That's how capitalism works.

Re: Twitter is blocking tweets that criticize the Indian government

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You don't think urbit is extremely niche?

It does seem niche to me, but I’m not sure I understand it at first glance. It feels a bit abstract. Is there an explanation for someone with no context or expertise?

This is a pretty good one: https://www.hyperstition.al/post/urbit-an-introduction/

There's also a podcast called Understanding Urbit that's a decent introduction.

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