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Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by rafaelm »

levosmetalo wrote: post #38
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

I can speak for Venezuela, and the corrupt murderer dictator party has been in power for just over 20 years. The country was completely ruined by the "corrupt murderer dictator" without any input from "the West".

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by sudosysgen »

baybal2 wrote: post #110
lb1lf wrote: post #72

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-More likely, rules will toughen up. The prime purpose of NATO is deterrence; no-one wants to be forced into a shooting war - hence I expect NATO to be very wary of accepting a member which may invoke article 5 pretty much the moment the accession ceremony is over. The Ukraine would have a much easier time getting into NATO if relations with Russia were cordial; however, as the mere act of exercising their sovereignt…

> The prime purpose of NATO is deterrence There is no point of deterrence when if Ukraine is gone, and you have Russian tanks in Vienna in one week, Munich the other, and the rest of Europe in a month.

No, you will not. Russia cannot invade Vienna or Munich. Germany, France and Italy are each powerful enough to stall the Russian offensive. Russia will not even attempt it.

Ukraine in comparison has a miserably weak military that is strongly outdated compared to Russia.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by andonceagain »

caskstrength wrote: post #88
levosmetalo wrote: post #74

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It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. GDP in Ukraine is ~3,5k$ per year. Your software developer friends are just outliers there.

> It's a fucking war there, people are sent to war to kill and to get killed. For me it is "here". The fact that for you it is "there" makes me think that you should talk more to actual people that are living in the countries you mentioned in previous post instead of lecturing them over internet with copy/paste of Russian propaganda "news" pieces. Besides, it might be a novel concept for you, but here we have an actu…

I envy your tenacity fighting against ill-intentioned HNers.

I was born in one of those countries mentioned by @levosmetalo above and the common running joke was too "People in internet say revolution is sponsored by CIA, but I'm still waiting for my paycheck!" and that was coming from people that were _truly_ putting themselves out there.

Anyway, I don't care (sadly) for having an identity on HN anymore, several times I created a user in good faith only to be downvoted to oblivion discussing these matters. Yes, I know, I shouldn't be commenting on those threads. I can't help it, I grew up in a place awfully destroyed by communist.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by andonceagain »

stablenode wrote: post #124
dfadsadsf wrote: post #86

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Software development market in Ukraine is flourishing because its completely decoupled from local economy with most people working in outsourcing companies. Hardly definition of success. Country is in the middle of frozen civil war. GDP per person in Ukraine is still below 2013 and is half of GDP per person in Belarus. Change in government need to come from within - not imposed by outsiders. Very few cases when revol…

It's amazing how every time Ukraine is mentioned in a thread, a poster (from Mukhosransk or some such place) suddenly appears to tell everyone about the virtues of living in an authoritarian petrostate.

Well, to be fair, @caskstrength has had his account for 12 months already (karma: 150). Yours has only been created for 8 months (karma: 16).

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by mariksolo »

T-A wrote: post #79
postingawayonhn wrote: post #14

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You do realise that a lot of people in Russia want to get rid of Putin too? And neither dictator will live forever, both are in their late 60s.

35% of Russians disapprove of Putin, according to this: https://www.levada.ru/en/ratings/ 41% of Americans disapprove of Biden, according to this: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/biden-approval-rating/

I personally don't have a ton of trust in polls like that (referring to the Russian one). It is a strong claim to make that Putin is more popular in Russia than Biden in the US.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by pvarangot »

koonsolo wrote: post #73
baybal2 wrote: post #37

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> Anyway -- you can help! The best way to help them now is to send arms, but that if of course if you can get them through the border. Belarus knows that they can't trust army drafted from regular men, and that's why the army was sent off to seal the borders, while the special police monsters are let to keep doing their atrocities inside cities. The West is also unwittingly facilitates this by keeping shutting down a…

So you give arms to a bunch of people, they kill a bunch of people, and then you hope that the leader that arises from all this blooshed is better than Lukashenko? Good luck.

All this while still not making it easy for people that don't want to live in that country from actually emigrating to somewhere safe and with a government of their liking. Yeah, the old "Hunger Games" approach for freedom spreading.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by unnouinceput »

rafaelm wrote: post #151
levosmetalo wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

List of countries where "the West" organized a coup against a "corrupt murderer dictator" to establish "democratic elected government": - Ukraine - Syria - Libya - Georgia - Iraq - Iran - Afghanistan - Yugoslavia - Venezuela - Cuba - ex-Yugoslavia - Chile - ... All those countries were devastated by the "democratization". I would like to see one example where that went good for the local population in general and whe…

I can speak for Venezuela, and the corrupt murderer dictator party has been in power for just over 20 years. The country was completely ruined by the "corrupt murderer dictator" without any input from "the West".

I would not call US sanctions "without input from the West"

https://www.state.gov/venezuela-related-sanctions/

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by oldnews193 »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #95
koonsolo wrote: post #80

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Europe isn't the world policeman. Most neighboring countries want to join EU for good reason. In Ukraines case, do you really think they don't want to become more like any EU country? I know plenty of people from Lviv. That 'coup' was not staged by 'the west', but was a force within their own population that want a better standard of life. So please don't compare US involvement in any Middle east country to the EU an…

Just because a country wants to join the EU doesn’t mean the EU should send weapons and foment a civil war there. It is scary and absurd that this needs to be said, yet here we are. Arguing for starting a civil war because of “freedom.” Where have we heard this before? Lviv/Western Ukraine is also very anti-Russia and has been for a long time (pre-WW2). Ukraine is a very divided country and there is more than one opi…

> Lviv/Western Ukraine is also very anti-Russia and has been for a long time (pre-WW2). Ukraine is a very divided country and there is more than one opinion on what to do. If each region voted independently, you’d probably see Ukraine split into two states, one aligning with the EU and the other with Russia.

For what it's worth, the Party of Regions, which used to be in power until 2014 and which got voted into power by South and East of Ukraine, won the 2012 elections with a program featuring signing the Association Agreement with the EU, visa waiver with the EU and joining the EU market.

Anyhow, if the question "Would you rather be in a political and economic alliance with the EU or with Russia?" might have seemed divisive to some before 2014, I'd think Russian aggression fixed that for good.

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by stablenode »

andonceagain wrote: post #154
stablenode wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's amazing how every time Ukraine is mentioned in a thread, a poster (from Mukhosransk or some such place) suddenly appears to tell everyone about the virtues of living in an authoritarian petrostate.

Well, to be fair, @caskstrength has had his account for 12 months already (karma: 150). Yours has only been created for 8 months (karma: 16).

Thanks @andonceagain (created 29mins ago, karma: 2). I always wondered is the view of the Laptev Sea as depressing as they say?

Re: Belarusian regime’s thugs shut down Imaguru, the country’s key startup hub

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Post by vkou »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #31
Jkae80 wrote: post #23

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Yeah? Check out the involvement of NGO directly financed by the West. What ever happened in Ukraine's coup orchestrated by the West is not going to happen in Belarus. And that is a hard pill to swallow for you people.

Lets imagine the coup is orchestrated by the West. The guy currently in charge is corrupt and a murderer. Is living in Belarus going to get worse without him?

Think for a moment about how the United States would deal with a Russian or Chinese coup in Canada, or Mexico, and you'll get your answer.
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