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The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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"It's so easy to get acid, you can get it anywhere!"

And now you truly can get fresh acid anytime, anywhere! Absolutely amazing project. This is actually like... 75% passable, and better than most entry level stuff I've heard.

I've wanted this to exist for like 15 years. Tried my hand at it with Reason back in like, 2012, got kinda there with RPG-8, Jupiter and way too much automation, but it was just way too limiting of a medium back then. This makes me want to take another stab at it.

Some minor suggestions:

- on mobile: Not sure which interfaces are clickable but nonresponsive, vs not clickable at all. E.g. BPM knob didn't do anything for me on mobile, but worked fine on desktop

- I realize this might be hard for browser, maybe with a node/electron app, but MIDI out would be dope.

- Distortion module

- A simple mix-out EQ would be nice.

- Constraints to make sure one osc is always on a bass part

- third osc? :)

- What would really sell it is some lead-in before a pattern change. E.g. When the cycler starts to flash red (especially when they are all about change), occasionally toss in some snare fills/crescendos

If you had a sample board, you could easily convince someone this was made by a human. Maybe inexperienced, but still very much human.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's…

> Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything There's an urban legend saying Richard D James (Aphex Twin) threw a microphone in a kitchen blender at a concert and people were dancing to that sound...

Fanzatia NYE93, people outside dancing to a car alarm (quite a famous video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rYXcmVSeBU

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything I've heard this sentiment before and I always wonder whether it has been given enough thought or whether it's really true for you and the people you know. I mean, me and me friends have left more than one party because we'd rather stroll around the neighbourhood than endure the music the DJ was playing. Admittedly that happened more when not using drugs but it's…

> Sufficiently intoxicated people will dance to anything There's an urban legend saying Richard D James (Aphex Twin) threw a microphone in a kitchen blender at a concert and people were dancing to that sound...

Sounds like a typical noise gig.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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I think you were unlucky, actually. I've been playing around with it on and off for a few hours now and sometimes it gets locked into the behaviour you describe, but for the most part it's very standard 4/4.

Same. 30 minutes in, and this acid is better than a lot of #acidtechno on Instagram. It's just missing having more accents on the 303 :)

Yeah I checked again and there's definitely more 'standard' acid in there. Now it's just waiting until someone records it and posts it as being theirs :)

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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This is a great project, well done. Algorithmic music is fascinating to me, I feel like there's a lot of untapped potential in the concept particularly with more 'complex' genres where higher levels of composition and structural continuity are required. This tends to work much better with loop-based genres but I'd personally love to do a side project on something that could write melodies from some sort of generative…

This kind of algorithmic music has been a thing for decades. I have a funny memory of going to a university open day as a child in the late 80s/early 90s and a presentation by some boffin with a synthesizer was what made me want to grow up and become a computer programmer.

Back in the early days, I think CSound[0] was the big software, not because it can make especially interesting sounds compared to more "musical" software synths, but because it's a proper programming language which gives people the freedom to do these higher level abstractions.

In the hardware world, a lot of this developed out of arpeggiators and analog sequencers. I remember years ago I had a "P3" sequencer[1] which implemented a lot of these sorts of algorithmic pattern generaton tools - you could do things like quantize to a scale, then set a sequence of percentages that themselves impacted the likelihood of a particular note being played. I see there is a new version of this sequencer[2] too.

Lots of analog sequencers provide similar features, and if you have a modular setup you can ramp the tempo way down and have them control chord progressions or swells instead of 16th note patterns. Pretty sure this is how a bunch of live ambient music was done back in the day.

That was a fairly niche corner of electronic composition, but even in the mainstream of 20 years ago stuff like the Emu Proteus sound modules featured pretty advanced programmable arpeggiators where you could essentially write the skeleton of a musical sequence and then modify what notes of it actually ended up getting played by deciding which original notes to start from. I always came at this more from that minimal/techno/sequence-based side, but then I went to a wedding and saw a wedding singer playing an "accompaniment" keyboard which showed the other side - entire chord sequences and backing instrumentation getting generated in real-time based just on what chord the keyboard player chose to hit with their left hand. It's surely only a small step forward from there to being able to input a higher level algorithm that could develop a whole song.

[0] https://csound.com/

[1] https://www.soundonsound.com/reviews/sequentix-p3

[2] https://www.sequentix.com/shop/cirklon-hardware-sequencer

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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This made me want to grind lap times in Wipeout 2097. The soundtrack and atmosphere in that game was really similar to this, and like nothing I'd heard or seen before at the time. It probably shaped my taste in so many ways. Fond memories! EDIT: For those sharing the nostalgia, it turns out that the composer of the soundtrack, Cold Storage, remastered it and put it up on streaming services. It's a two part EP called…

I was going to write a post saying I was glad a "later" wipeout game had the effect as the original had on me, then I looked into it and saw that Wipeout 2097 was called Wipeout XL in North American, and was the exact game I played :D So, I'll just echo what you said: the soundtrack was foundational in my adult music tastes :)

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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This is a great project, well done. Algorithmic music is fascinating to me, I feel like there's a lot of untapped potential in the concept particularly with more 'complex' genres where higher levels of composition and structural continuity are required. This tends to work much better with loop-based genres but I'd personally love to do a side project on something that could write melodies from some sort of generative…

I get why people want machine-aided composition. But I'd love to see a project like this go in the opposite direction.

Maybe put a row of buttons at the top: "I am [Loving it] [Grooving] [Fine] [A Bit Bored] [About to Quit]". Then use that (plus browser data and window-close data) to train ML models to maximize engagement. Or perhaps to hook it up to facial expression recognition.

When I watch friends DJ, there's this great feedback loop between how the crowd's behaving and what they're putting on. They're clearly using the music to achieve certain mental states among listeners. I'd love to see how well that can be done algorithmically.

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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post #151

"It's so easy to get acid, you can get it anywhere!" And now you truly can get fresh acid anytime, anywhere! Absolutely amazing project. This is actually like... 75% passable, and better than most entry level stuff I've heard. I've wanted this to exist for like 15 years. Tried my hand at it with Reason back in like, 2012, got kinda there with RPG-8, Jupiter and way too much automation, but it was just way too limitin…

MIDI out is entirely possible from a webbrowser! https://www.w3.org/TR/webmidi/

Re: The Endless Acid Banger: algorithmic self-composing acid techno music

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This is actually enjoyable, I could imagine working with this in the background. Great work! edit: You can't actually hide the window in Safari, as it goes to like 10 BPM. Is it a power saving feature or what?

Can't really use it in Firefox on Windows, the drum track isn't synced to the synths.
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