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Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by wayneftw »

Toutouxc wrote: post #102
wayneftw wrote: post #40

Every time I read one of these reviews it makes me so glad to be using a desktop PC with Manjaro. Things I need to do just all work for me, no surprise limitations, no worrying about how long an irreplaceable battery or SSD will last and no constant battle with some corporation over who controls my computer. I don't get people who would want to optimize for working on a train or a plane or in a meeting either. My des…

> worrying about how long an irreplaceable battery or SSD will last and no constant battle with some corporation over who controls my computer You really need to understand that this is nothing but a strawman. I'm a M1 Air user. I'm currently worrying about how I'm gonna express some business logic in my app, not about some imaginary "irreplaceable" battery or an SSD. If anything breaks in the first two years (which…

It's really not though. Can you yourself replace the battery or the SSD? If not, it's irreplaceable for all intents and purposes.

Enjoy waiting for your work tool which puts food on the table while it's in the shop I guess. My machines are orders of magnitude less expensive than your quote, so I have others on standby and I can take a ride up the street to buy parts if I don't feel like waiting a day for delivery.

> With the laptop connected in clamshell mode.

For those of us not part of the Apple cult/SV bubble in-group, that just means "closed" right?

What a shitty form factor though. It takes up desk space while limiting you to a single external display. All those hard and soft limitations so you can drag a single machine into a meeting or work (poorly) on a couch or in a cafe is an absolutely terrible tradeoff. In the age of syncing everything over the Internet the value of a single machine is negative. Putting all the eggs into one basket has never been a good idea.

And who even needs their entire machine in a meeting? Anyone that is doing creative work during a meeting is thoroughly doing it wrong. I would tell you to give a couple of desktops a try but I guess if you're Apple's prisoner already you'll be out $10k if you want properly outfitted desktop machines for your home and office.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by eyelidlessness »

aulin wrote: post #146
eyelidlessness wrote: post #105

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I’m also still mourning the loss of subpixel AA with my primary display being 4k@1x. For several versions of macOS it was removed from the System Preferences UI but still available with a defaults command, but I’m pretty sure that’s gone now too.

right, you're not even supposed to use those 4k at native resolution if you want good fonts! some sources still list a couple of manual commands that supposedly enable antialiasing again but I don't think they do anything anymore.

It’s 43” haha. It has roughly the same pixel density as a 27” at 2560x1440.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by ixacto »

aulin wrote: post #146
eyelidlessness wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m also still mourning the loss of subpixel AA with my primary display being 4k@1x. For several versions of macOS it was removed from the System Preferences UI but still available with a defaults command, but I’m pretty sure that’s gone now too.

right, you're not even supposed to use those 4k at native resolution if you want good fonts! some sources still list a couple of manual commands that supposedly enable antialiasing again but I don't think they do anything anymore.

32” 4k on a m1 mini at a scaled resolution of 2560x1440 looks great.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by jbluepolarbear »

jamesgeck0 wrote: post #121
jbluepolarbear wrote: post #65

Has anyone tried using a Wavlink 4K USB-C docking station with the M1? I use it on my intel Mac Pro and windows desktop and it works like a champ.

Nope, but I do use the Wavlink USB 3.0 to HDMI 2K Adapter with a USB-C adapter in one port and a Hgore HG-HB007 adapter hub in the second port. It's a mess of cables, but it works great with two external monitors hooked up. Quite a bit cheaper than a full docking station.

I already have the 4K docking station that I’ve been using for a couple years and have been interested in getting on of the M1 Macs.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by supermatt »

rovr138 wrote: post #127
supermatt wrote: post #115

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Memory management is different on the M1. This has been widely discussed.

"management" is important. It can't make it appear out of thin air. If you need 16GB of ram and only have 8GB, you will run out of memory.

Which is why I asked for specific workloads in the comment you decided to reply to. I also say in the same comment this very thing you are reiterating...

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by brokenmachine »

e-clinton wrote: post #80
FroshKiller wrote: post #36

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No one expects a brand-new hardware platform to have different capabilities from other devices in its class?

It’s not “brand new hardware”, it’s just another MacBook Pro. Being a MacBook Pro, I expect a keyboard, trackpad, screen... and the ability to plug-in monitors, just like every other MacBook Pros has for however many years. They shouldn’t have called it a pro.

The logic of a 𝚃̶𝚛̶𝚞̶𝚖̶𝚙̶ Apple supporter: "He didn't say that. And if he did, he didn't mean that. And if he did, you didn't understand it. And if you did, it's not a big deal".

Apple apologists have been regularly redefining what "pro" means every year, along with a lot of other things that aren't a big deal.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by supermatt »

megablast wrote: post #143
smoldesu wrote: post #122

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I have an M1 Macbook Air with 8 gigs of memory, and it's definitely a bottleneck for me. I haven't even thought about trying a VM on it...

In what way? I run xcode, firefox, safari, gimp, mail and a few other things. It is so much better than my last 16gb macbook pro. And this is an air.

Same here, i am running intellij IDEA, 3 vscode instances concurrently - all autobuilding on change. I also have 2 ios simulators and an android simulator running, as well as chrome, safari (with MANY tabs) and Firefox. Mail, slack, QBServe, Datagrip and affinity designer also all running. The machine is fully responsive, flicking between apps, running both the internal display and an external 43" 4k monitor.

The ONLY time I run out of memory (or leave the "green" memory pressure) is when i use Figma - but that is a known memory hog. And it does crash, it just warns me that im running out of memory and asks to close something.

This is all on an 8GB machine. Previously I had 16GB intel macbook pro (2015) and it simply wasn't possible to run this quantity of applications.

Obviously (as i have said, and keep getting downvoted for), if you are using VMs or you have a specific memory requirement, then you need to account for that.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by Toutouxc »

wayneftw wrote: post #151
Toutouxc wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> worrying about how long an irreplaceable battery or SSD will last and no constant battle with some corporation over who controls my computer You really need to understand that this is nothing but a strawman. I'm a M1 Air user. I'm currently worrying about how I'm gonna express some business logic in my app, not about some imaginary "irreplaceable" battery or an SSD. If anything breaks in the first two years (which…

It's really not though. Can you yourself replace the battery or the SSD? If not, it's irreplaceable for all intents and purposes. Enjoy waiting for your work tool which puts food on the table while it's in the shop I guess. My machines are orders of magnitude less expensive than your quote, so I have others on standby and I can take a ride up the street to buy parts if I don't feel like waiting a day for delivery. >…

I'm sorry that my computer setup offends you.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by vondro »

supermatt wrote: post #76
barkingcat wrote: post #54

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Yes I am using one. There are workloads that don't fit into 16G ram. Even with paging, there are legitimate needs for 32G and beyond memory sizes.

What specific workloads? If you bought a 16GB machine to keep 32GB of data in RAM then clearly you bought the wrong machine. But I am able to run WAY more applications in 8GB than the 16GB intel Mac I had previously.

It can swap to ssd real fast.

Re: Onboarding with an M1

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Post by wayneftw »

Toutouxc wrote: post #158
wayneftw wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really not though. Can you yourself replace the battery or the SSD? If not, it's irreplaceable for all intents and purposes. Enjoy waiting for your work tool which puts food on the table while it's in the shop I guess. My machines are orders of magnitude less expensive than your quote, so I have others on standby and I can take a ride up the street to buy parts if I don't feel like waiting a day for delivery. >…

I'm sorry that my computer setup offends you.

Me? Offended? By a lowly computer no less?? No way! You're the one that responded to my original post with accusations of strawmen bud :-)

I guess we cemented that sucker in pretty good now though eh?

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