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Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Imagine paying money for an os and having to go through this song and dance to not have your productivity tool become an ad infested unproductivity tool

Have you never spent time configuring an operating system?

Yes, but it's because I want to and not because I have to in order to get it to shut up about itself.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Some of us find the alternatives to be really really good compared to Windows. The only thing I should wish was that IT was (even more) supportive. Lucky us I guess. (FTR: Linux is as usual as Mac at work now. I've even seen a team lead and a sales guy run Linux!)

> Some of us find the alternatives to be really really good compared to Windows. Yeah, and some of us don't. A lot of us, actually. I personally get kinda sick of the arrogance of people who think they're above everyone else because they chose a different operating system.

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Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Admittedly, it is awful and stupid. On the other hand, those of us who use it find the alternative to be even worse despite being free. Imagine what problems must exist with that alternative for this to be true.

When you buy a computer, or get one from work, it is preloaded with Windows. Windows is essentially "free", as in for most people there is no savings from not using Windows, like it is i.e. if you build your desktop your self. Linux is compeeting with effectivly mandatory prepaid Windows installs.

> Linux is compeeting with effectivly mandatory prepaid Windows installs.

You can get your money back if you don't plan on using the license.

https://www.linux.com/news/how-get-windows-tax-refund/

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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I really don't know everything that is installed on my computer - do you on yours? I can say I have never seen the thing. And anyway, surely that is a game, not an ad?

Which is paid to be preinstalled and put in your face every time you open the start menu. I'd go as far to say it is adware.

Me: Opens Start Menu (which, frankly, I don't normally use) - doesn't see it.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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When I was a kid I remember Windows getting better every time it updated, and especially when new versions came out. Was I just ignorant? Why does the last five years feel like a whole new type of fuckery?

Because it was about 5 years ago Windows 10 launched and they switched from a model of getting people to buy copies of their OS, to making Windows into an ever-evolving service that exists to get people into the Microsoft ecosystem.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Most games work! Notably, if the game you're playing doesn't have an anti-cheat that's deeply tied to the kernel then there's a good chance it will work with Wine (or Steam Play's version of it) out of the box. The anti-cheats that are deeply tied to the Windows kernel are usually dumpster fires of remote code execution so I don't think there's much of a loss there.

Things I never liked - spending hours debugging WINE issues or browsing the wine compatibility website trying to get things to work to play a video game, which I'm already using to get away from doing tedious work.

These days, most games run fine out of the box with proton. As the parent comment stated, it's mostly games that rely on invasive anti-cheats that don't work. For example, PUBG, Due Process, Valorant, etc... aka competitive multiplayer games.

If one really wants to they can dual-boot with windows, but I've found the better option is to just play games that do run well on linux, like tf2, etc.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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How is that different than what windows does with "python3"?

It doesn't do that, if you install git in some other way (via homebrew, or manually). So it is definitely different from this: > even after installing Python from the official website, if you happen to run a script that executes "python3" instead of "python", you'll instead trigger an unhelpful link to the Microsoft Store

The point is that python3 was already in place, and the package on the official website only created the python executable, so the stub linked to the Microsoft Store wasn't overwritten.

This is no different than macOS. If you don't overwrite the existing stubs, you get the "install xcode" message when running git or cc.

But if Apple does it, it's OK because they're the good guys.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Can you walk me through how you're reading that? I don't understand how you have reached that conclusion.

Sure. I think the key to my interpretation is "even when". > the pop-up will appear *even when* Microsoft Edge is the default browser "Even when" says to me that this scenario is in addition to some other scenario, which must inevitably be when Edge isn't the default browser.

Read the next sentence you quoted.

This is how the first sentence should read with correct parenthesization: "It’s worth noting that the pop-up will appear even (when Microsoft Edge is the default browser AND you’ve already pinned sites to the taskbar)"

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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From the article: > "the pop-up will appear even when Microsoft Edge is the default browser... The company is not targeting people who use Google Chrome and Firefox as default browsers." Translation: it will show up for everyone, not just for Chrome and Firefox users.

It's a weird sentence. Doesn't "The company is not targeting people who use Google Chrome and Firefox as default browsers." imply that they aren't showing it to Chrome and Firefox users? The former part seems to imply to me that you get this suggestion even if you've already used the feature.

> imply that they aren't showing it to Chrome and Firefox users?

No. It says that Chrome and Firefox users are not specifically targeted, it says nothing about then not getting the suggestions when they are a part of wider group, like Windows users.

Re: Windows 10 taskbar is now pushing Microsoft Edge web apps

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Here's whats so odd here: - google can push chrome on people in their search results. and google pushed HARD. So hard they dominate the browser market and chrome is unfortunately not known for privacy. - google pretty much makes it impossible to get away from chrome entirely in android. Example being that you MUST use chrome webview when using the google search app. Even though everything else uses firefox for me. -…

> - google can push chrome on people in their search results. and google pushed HARD. So hard they dominate the browser market and chrome is unfortunately not known for privacy.

I didn't pay Google $200 (Windows 10 Pro retaile I payed for recently) for the privilege to use their search, so they are free to push some advertising alongside it. When I will pay $200 to use their search then I don't want any advertising from Google either.

> - google pretty much makes it impossible to get away from chrome entirely in android. Example being that you MUST use chrome webview when using the google search app. Even though everything else uses firefox for me.

Funny, I have used InBrowser ever since I started using Android 10 years ago (which btw, makes it possible to read all those news articles without running into free article monthly limits because InBrowser doesn't store any state between sessions). Doesn't seem impossible to not use Chrome at all to me.

> - ms doesn't have search results. sure they try with bing but its not nearly as good or widespread. MS does have windows itself though, so they push where they can.

They are free to do whatever they want with their software but I don't find it acceptable to pay $200 for that and still get ads. If they were to give me Windows 10 Pro for free, then sure, go ahead and put a bunch of ads on my desktop.

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