when it comes to anxiety, which doesn’t take place in your thinking brain, it [CBT] places the focus on the thought (“I thought there was a tiger!”) and not the physical response which preceded, and even caused, the thought (“my heart is racing and I’m full of adrenaline and I need tools to calm down”). Inexplicably, the article seems to get CBT entirely wrong. A key part of CBT for anxiety is, in fact, about dealing…
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#152I noticed as young adult that I didn’t really worry or consciously stress, but my body had somewhat predictable reactions to situations that I would realize, in hindsight, were highly stressful. Those physical reactions sucked, and as they got worse over time, it really concerned me. At some point I was encouraged to go to CBT, which I did, but honestly it made things worse. I became hyper aware of how anxious I was…
Buddhism. Psilocybin.
My anxiety disorder only got worse since then. Every time I see an ambulance I still get flashbacks and instant anxiety.
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#153Earlier quoted context omitted.
> mindfulness is the opposite of any therapy I can think of. It is an ego-depletion technique proven to be detrimental to people suffering from anxiety and depression. This is simply not true. Mindfulness-Based Stress Reduction (MBSR) and Acceptance and Commitment Therapy (ACT) are two evidence-based, heavily researched forms of therapy that are intimately connected with mindfulness. Second, I encourage you to cite t…
>One is to simply allow it to happen or even try to make the panic worse. Paradoxically, that has been shown to ease the panic attack. Nope. Not working for me. Though, I might have stronger fight-or-flight reaction than other people. For example, I can't watch beheadings(but I could do them by myself and I am very sure about that). If I force myself to continue watching, then my mind just shuts my brain off and I lo…
That said; while I don’t have a problem with needles I have had issues with getting my blood drawn before my annual physical. I would come quite close to losing consciousness each time. I asked my therapist about this because I too thought it was related to panic and anxiety and he explained that it is actually a different physiological response. Seeing people’s blood—especially our own—was usually a bad thing before modern medicine. What I did to resolve it was to watch videos of blood draws every day for about 1-2 weeks prior to getting my own blood drawn. That worked surprisingly well. I no longer have to ask them let me lie down during the procedure. Even still, I don’t watch them do it to me and that’s fine. I don’t need to.
As to beheadings... I don’t really see how watching such content could reasonably be in accordance with ones values. In fact, losing consciousness seems like a perfectly valid response to such a thing and doesn’t really seem to me to be related to panic or anxiety. I think it is quantifiable proof that you are not a psychopath.
Look, you’re right; people like you and me, if we’re in control, we are fine. The older I get the more I realize just how much and how often I’m not in control. What ACT taught me was to be comfortable with that fact. To embrace it and even enjoy it.
I hope you can find peace, regardless of the modality. I only encourage you to not give up just yet on either mindfulness or evidence-based therapy.
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#154Anxiety is in GABA-a and GABA-b IMO. I would suppose they circulate throughout the body and mind. But most the work is getting the influence to take affect in the mind.
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#155Eh, a gross oversimplification. Feeling troubled by being anxious in the modern world is a "cerebral" issue. The guy who mistook an innocent animal as a tiger and freaked out because of it didn't feel bad for feeling anxious for no reason. We do. Because it interferes with our daily functioning / responsibilities in the modern world. Anxiety is also very frequently comorbid with other mental disorders. Especially OCD…
> Feeling troubled by being anxious in the modern world is a "cerebral" issue. How do you know the modern world is behind your anxiety? I'm more or less with the article (though I have no opinion about the supposed treatment). I think it's a mistake to think it's easy to tell that you're anxious. Anxiety is something you notice by observing yourself, it's not something you know by querying some inner state. And even…
Experiencing a "fight and flight" misfire is not, in itself, a huge issue, even if it happens a couple times every day. The problem is you can't really function in the modern society with (or by anticipating) that.
That aside, I sometimes forget that everyone's experience is different. The thing I got treatment for (a modern SSRI was all it took) after wrestling with it for more than a decade was definitely easy to tell and query. And when I got an attack, people could tell. And when I was not in an attack, my cognition was 50% busy with worrying about when and in what situation I'd get my next attack.
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#157This was following years of taking 5HTP, meditating/breathing, talk therapy etc, which helped somewhat but nothing like intense exercise.
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#158I think the advice of focusing on how to turn anxiety symptoms down and moderate physical responses are fine, but it's kind of missing the point, at least for serious cases of anxiety. I suffered pretty badly from it in my early 20s (apparently typical age for this kind of stuff), and you go very quickly from particular anxiety attacks being the issue, to fear of anxiety itself being the bigger issue. An anxiety/pani…
What you described sounds a lot like what I’ve been going thru, especially the part about “fear of anxiety itself being the bigger issue”. Have things gotten better for you?
If you've got serious problems getting professional help is always a good thing but don't think it's not going to get better. Anxiety, even quite severe, is not uncommon.
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#159Nutritional deficiencies should be part of this conversation. A majority of Americans are magnesium deficient. Magnesium calms the nervous system. “In healthy adults, magnesium sits inside the NMDA receptors, preventing them from being triggered by weak signals that may stimulate your nerve cells unnecessarily. When your magnesium levels are low, fewer NMDA receptors are blocked. This means they are prone to being st…
What dose do you take? I might give this a shot.
One dose in the morning.
Each dose is usually 3 capsules, containing 144mg of elemental magnesium.
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#160The Body Keeps the Score is a pretty good book that covers how much trauma affects the body in myriad ways.