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Et Tu, Signal?

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Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

ElectricMind wrote: post #134

I don't understand what all the all fuss about. How much money people have really that you need 100 payment apps to send money on top of existing banks? I just wise/transferwise for overseas transfer other than that my bank. You think I am poor minority and don't care about payment drama?

It’s not really about payments.

The scam is to create a new altcoin, give most of the altcoin supply to the founders, then try to force as many people as possible to use the altcoin by deploying it as part of something popular like Signal.

Now if anyone wants to use Signal’s money transfer feature, they have to buy MOB. The CEO of MobileCoin was in the threads yesterday pushing the website where they were selling MOB.

They don’t really care about transferring money. They just want to sell MobileCoin and pump up the price by making it look useful.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by Sebb767 »

firebaze wrote: post #60

Another option: https://threema.ch (no phone number required, fully anonymous, fully open source)

I really like the direction Threema is going to. I admit I was pretty skeptic back when they were closed-source and just starting out, but their recent actions (like open-sourcing most of the code) look very promising. Their client is also pretty good and the reactions (agree/disagree) are pretty innovative and useful. I'm somewhat surprised that feature has not popped up in other messengers yet.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by kjjjjjjjjjjjjjj »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #90
BelenusMordred wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> fun fact It's absolutely hilarious, the SEC has gone after so many different coins, ICO's and exchanges now who have gone to far greater lengths in excluding Americans. The first person who gets around it opens you up to all sorts of civil and criminal charges. I don't understand how after years of this happening any company thinks it's somehow safe with nothing more than an IP geofence.

If they make reasonable attempts to keep out Americans, requiring IP proxies and checking a box saying "I am not an American," then is it really their fault when Americans end up using it?

Yes, because of KYC

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by bilal4hmed »

okamiueru wrote: post #117
tonyjstark wrote: post #62

This article mirrors my feelings toward this announcement well. I spent a significant amount of time trying out different messaging apps and convincing my friends and family to move over from Telegram and WhatsApp. I used my reputation and their trust in my expertise. The whole blockchain industry is just too mixed with scams that I feel comfortable to have my non-tech relatives dealing with it. It's enough that I ha…

What would you say are the cons of Telegram? I've been highly impressed with the UX for quite some time, but have refrained from pushing it (and the likes) onto friends. My family and friends seems to have slowly drifted towards signal, and I haven't bothered affecting that, but if I would go from a pure UX, I'd suggest telegram. So, I'm genuinely curious to know others' thoughts on it. I have only limited knowledge,…

Group messages in Telegram arent e2ee just because of their design choice. You cant enable it like you can for the 1:1 chat.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by eptcyka »

tw04 wrote: post #82
vodkapump wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> easy backup when you get a new phone I just recently got a new phone, and used the new feature to do this (uses wi-fi direct) and I have to say it seemed like it would be easy enough for non-techy users to use.

Try transferring from an iOS phone to Android. Try transferring messages to a new desktop (you can't). It's 2021, I don't want to be platform locked and none of the other popular messaging apps have that issue.

I transferred between two Android phones, and had to re-pair desktop clients. It all worked, but now the desktop client won't receive messages I've sent via phone.

Also video calls still don't synchronize orientation. It's very hard not to stoop down to use more vulgar language to express my feelings about this.

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by bosie »

ent wrote: post #108
vodkapump wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> easy backup when you get a new phone I just recently got a new phone, and used the new feature to do this (uses wi-fi direct) and I have to say it seemed like it would be easy enough for non-techy users to use.

Not sure why this was downvoted. I switched phones yesterday and transferring signal with the direct wi-fi transfer was easier than transferring whatsapp, I do know that that used to not be the case.

because it is only relevant for one very specific type of 'switching phones'

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by Galaxeblaffer »

Ayesh wrote: post #129
red_trumpet wrote: post #78

I see Keybase mentioned a lot in this discussions (both in the linked article, and in HN comments). Does anyone have a good summary to read up on what happened with Keybase?

After adding features like Git repos and file storage, keybase started their own currency called Stallar (XLM). They airdropped XLM to Keybase users. About 2 billion IIRC. It resulted in bit accounts for obvious reasons, so they had to make many changes to their original plan. I converted what I received into BTC, and it looks like XLM is still functional to this date though. Keybase was a very well regarded app, but…

Keybase did NOT create Steallar Lumens https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_(payment_network)

Re: Et Tu, Signal?

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Post by tonyjstark »

okamiueru wrote: post #117
tonyjstark wrote: post #62

This article mirrors my feelings toward this announcement well. I spent a significant amount of time trying out different messaging apps and convincing my friends and family to move over from Telegram and WhatsApp. I used my reputation and their trust in my expertise. The whole blockchain industry is just too mixed with scams that I feel comfortable to have my non-tech relatives dealing with it. It's enough that I ha…

What would you say are the cons of Telegram? I've been highly impressed with the UX for quite some time, but have refrained from pushing it (and the likes) onto friends. My family and friends seems to have slowly drifted towards signal, and I haven't bothered affecting that, but if I would go from a pure UX, I'd suggest telegram. So, I'm genuinely curious to know others' thoughts on it. I have only limited knowledge,…

As other the other answers state: It's them rolling their own cryptography. Also, not having E2EE in group chats. Their UX is really good and I agree with you, going from that alone I would always suggest Telegram too.

There are other considerations too, like that fact that I often got notifications that someone joined Telegram but that person was a friend of a friend and not in my personal contact list. One of my friends works for an actor's agency and then I got notifications when some of his clients joined the platform. I'm pretty sure they weren't aware of it and from a privacy standpoint this is very questionalbe and left a very sour taste. I always feared that I missed a privacy setting and am exposed the same way.

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