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> very often This can just be replaced with "always". You can be lucky or you can have inherited wealth.
This is the most ridiculously untrue comment, and it's not only untrue its the worst possible attitude for the individual to have. You prevent yourself from attempting anything to change your circumstances, while rolling around in self pity and building resentment towards successful people. Too much of this destroys societies, and having it personally yourself destroys your life.
Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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I'm going to say something heretical here, but: I'm increasingly convinced that the whole compound interest thing is bullshit. Not math-wise, the math checks out. Just propaganda-wise. In practice, with interest rates available to general population, a typical person isn't going to accumulate any meaningful wealth unless they were already wealthy. Say you're saving $500 a month for 10 years, on an account with 5% int…
Honestly, I agree with everything you just said. I will say that if you continue the pattern for 20 years you end up with $200k, of which $83k was made in interest -- and after 30 years you'll have $400k, $200k made from interest. Meanwhile, the S&P 500 averages about 11% interest annual. The article is vague on some details, but if you did what it sounds like the man in the article did and invested $500/year into th…
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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I've seen this example going around because it's such an egregious example of attributing to hard work what was essentially just gifted, but I think "wealth is accumulated through habits" is not wrong. It's really just a statement about compound interest, that if you live frugally and invest you'll end up with tons of money. The statement is better characterized as something like "wealth is the product of habits and…
I'm going to say something heretical here, but: I'm increasingly convinced that the whole compound interest thing is bullshit. Not math-wise, the math checks out. Just propaganda-wise. In practice, with interest rates available to general population, a typical person isn't going to accumulate any meaningful wealth unless they were already wealthy. Say you're saving $500 a month for 10 years, on an account with 5% int…
People under estimate the kind of discipline it takes to both DCA and HODL things on the very long run. And it goes without saying, starting early does matter.
>>The trick with "if you live frugally and invest you'll end up with tons of money" is that unless you take risks and are lucky, "end up" is likely to come around your retirement age, when you'll have little use for "tons of money" except paying for medical bills - so you'll pass it on to the next generation, to give them a shot at the life you wanted to have.
Never understood this logic. Nobody starts ex-nihilo. Giving whatever little edge you have to your kids doesn't seem like an evil thing to me at all. The thing is it takes very little to give your kids that head start.
Or your kids have to write things like these when they reach middle age too.
And if you live long, you will just have lots to complain about your younger self.
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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The only tax benefit is if your state offers one for 529 plans.
Not true. Realize capital gains each year in a UTMA account up to the kiddie tax limits. File a return for the kids instead of putting their gains on the parent's return. It can be significant over 18 years.
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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Not true. Realize capital gains each year in a UTMA account up to the kiddie tax limits. File a return for the kids instead of putting their gains on the parent's return. It can be significant over 18 years.
Thanks for the correction! Although, would this make a difference if you were just investing in an ETF and not selling and then gifting it to the child, assuming it’s less than the lifetime gift tax exclusion?
Agreed, the step up at death on the cost basis would be advantageous but then you have to be dead.
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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Luck is still subjective. A good investor does not feel like he is gambling. He just knows industries well enough to make educated guesses that are likely to happen. Someone else could put up the same amount of money because he overheard a tip in a bathroom. In my opinion, that person is gambling. But really its all the same and it's all subjective. The gambler was lucky, the investor was smart, who cares they both w…
You're essentially not engaging with my comment at all, just repeating what you said before. I don't find that a compelling way to have a conversation.
"To gamble you also need to take risks and make sacrifices."
This statement reads as if you look at all risks as gambling. I disagree with you. With good information and intelligence, things may not be a sure thing, but you can make your own odds very good. You are basically doing work to "increase your luck."
I don't think that makes you luckier I think that means you earned it.
I have explained this concept as well as I can, I'm sorry if you still don't get it and have a fixed mindset.
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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You said it was provably not as hard and didn't try to prove the point you're making. I agree you can take more risk, but there's no guarantee that you're taking better risk and nothing about what you claimed proves that. It's almost certainly more challenging to take better risks as the investment requires gets larger. All sorts of new challenges crop up that didn't exist with smaller investments. It's the reason wh…
> There are a lot of sharks swimming in the capital markets with deep expertise. I would argue that you have proven my point - if I have a bunch of money, I can pay for expertise/management that is going to net me a higher return.
Not starting with $1 million. At $10 million you have to be the shark. You need to be closer to $100 million to be able to afford the sharks the don't have their own principal to work with. Even then, you still need to know how to hire the sharks.
Source: I used to work in this market.
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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This is the most ridiculously untrue comment, and it's not only untrue its the worst possible attitude for the individual to have. You prevent yourself from attempting anything to change your circumstances, while rolling around in self pity and building resentment towards successful people. Too much of this destroys societies, and having it personally yourself destroys your life.
I appreciate that you think it's ridiculously untrue. This means that you're either already rich (and therefore lucky), or you think you might be rich soon definitely (but aren't right now). In both cases, your line of thinking isn't compelling. In the former, it's because you suffer from survivorship bias and in the latter it's because you're clearly not an example of what you're trying to say.
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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Effective Altruism is very confusing to me as it seems to only address the symptoms of poverty and not the root causes. In a very abbreviated version, that root cause being that our society requires that some labor in terrible conditions for little pay because it is necessary to maintain profits. And, those people having little power to oppose this state of affairs compared to those who perpetuate the status quo, not…
> that root cause being that our society requires that some labor in terrible conditions for little pay because it is necessary to maintain profits. Economic theory would argue that: "little pay" is because they produce "little value". I know pay and value are not aligned. But better education, health prospectives and stability (not war) tends to improve pay throughout an economy. Individual acts of charity, especial…
Any economic theory that predicts this is probably not very useful, since this claim is easily falsified. Consider e.g., the situation of Amazon workers who are paid low wages and forced to maintain such a pace that they need to go to the bathroom in bottles and bags, but whose labor on the other hand caused Jeff Bezos' wealth to increase by over $100,000 per worker over the last year.
Re: Man Built a $188M Fortune Investing in Stocks Then Donated It to Charity
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> that root cause being that our society requires that some labor in terrible conditions for little pay because it is necessary to maintain profits. Economic theory would argue that: "little pay" is because they produce "little value". I know pay and value are not aligned. But better education, health prospectives and stability (not war) tends to improve pay throughout an economy. Individual acts of charity, especial…
> Economic theory would argue that: "little pay" is because they produce "little value". Any economic theory that predicts this is probably not very useful, since this claim is easily falsified. Consider e.g., the situation of Amazon workers who are paid low wages and forced to maintain such a pace that they need to go to the bathroom in bottles and bags, but whose labor on the other hand caused Jeff Bezos' wealth to…