Remember how Mike Pence basically avoids being alone with a woman unless his wife is present? As ridiculous as it sounds, that self-preservation strategy got him to VP.
Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up
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#152Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this. There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advic…
As an Asian guy I probably would have reported you if you had told me something like this :D My advice to you: "Think about what you would have told a white man"
"Think about what you would have told a white man"
Well that leads to something like "Toughen Up, It's Part of the Job".
I don't think it helps to activly missunderstand people, when they are trying to be helpful EVEN if their trying is in the wrong. Try to think about the intention and maybe ask what they really meant by that.
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#153Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up
#154Creating a throwaway for obvious reasons. I'm not an investor but someone who is in a position to make key decisions about peoples' careers and give advice, and I do have a bit of a trick I use for this. There was one black female mentee who I noticed was timid in taking credit for her work. I had recently attended a diversity panel where someone in a similar role as me said that in a similar situation, and her advic…
Thought experiment: I do wonder if some boss in the future will only employ straight white males simply to avoid people "offending" others (it's hard to offend a straight white male in this new woke ideology). Of course this has the opposite effect to what the woke seem to want, but this is the world we have built ourselves.
I do.
I used to work in a diversity company where white males were usually not promoted nor valued, or those who were promoted were absolutely excellent. I specifically remember having trouble explaining a bug to a boss, then I noticed she didn’t know what an HTTP header was. It happens, when you’re promoted so fast that you don’t spend time as a dev.
Anyway, exited, created my company, but seriously, I’m extremely bitter about diversity, it’s just a way to enslave us and let us run the rat’s race while collecting taxes and job creation on us. They ain’t gonna win anything if they push white males so much out that they are bitter by the time they create their company. Racism is just a reaction to being treated badly.
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#156This is kind of the end result we're heading for, where you can only talk candidly with people who are equal or lower than you on the oppression hierarchy. The shitty part is that I'm pretty sure 99% of people are reasonable human beings but the media has to make it seem like that isn't the case so the risk equation changes. Similar to how kids used to roam around the neighborhood but now it's deemed too risky becaus…
> people who are equal or lower than you on the oppression hierarchy
This supposed hierarchy of oppression, based on identity characteristics such as race, gender and sexuality, really is the biggest scam going.
Almost all of the oppression we see around us can be explained by wealth disparities, corruption, and abuse of power. Yet, identarians insist on shoehorning everything into their flawed worldview.
The Black Lives Matter movement was a telling example of this - police brutality is indeed an ongoing problem in society, but it doesn't just apply to black people. It's anyone the police feel they can get away with abusing. Just look at how they treat homeless people, drug addicts, and so on, regardless of race.
Another is celebrating people as tokens regardless of their actions. First mixed-race female Vice President of the USA - okay, but what sort of shitty role model is this? Rather reminds me of: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co90umqUsAAdgQI?format=jpg
We would all do well to be critical of how identity politics is being used to mask the real root causes of oppression in our society. The so-called left wing of politics is the worst for this too, and I say this as a life-long leftist. Why make everything about identity; where has the traditional focus on class gone?
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#157In a sense, what she's describing sounds almost old-timey. A return to stiff propriety between men and women in order to avoid the possibility of scandal.
The entirety of everything leading to this point is complex. That said, half the reason for twitterized scandal politics is hyperbole. It's too easy to think in dichotomies and extremes. This stuff can be true without doom being upon us.
I think twitter mob problems will improve in a few years, or move on to other areas.
On a lower profile scale, bullying-related HR processes and associated cultural dynamics can and do "flare up." Many bullying claims. Fear of bullying accusations. Threats. First strikes. etc. It often happens in environments with a lot of bullying. Unpleasant, but it usually passes eventually... I think.
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#158Anecdotal but my office is ultra -woke. There are endless internal emails about whatever-week, or veterans-this, or LBGTQ+-that etc etc. People have been hounded out and either quit or been fired for fairly minor "infractions" of the groupthink (...and also some people have rightly been fired for actual inappropriate behaviour). And guess what all this talk about "toxic masculinity" and generally vilifying all men le…
why continue to work there, buddy? I actually switched careers out of my position because that's what it was like in 2016.
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#159Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Think about what a white man would do" seems completely ambiguous to me. It's not a clear way to communicate. It would be better to follow up "I see you're hesitating to take credit for your work" with specific examples of what she might be able to say. Or you could give examples of behavior that people she knows have exhibited. Even if "what a white man would do" wasn't emotionally charged (and it is), it's not a g…
I think it's not a useful exercise to come up with a better phrasing of the advice, as that's not really the point here. When you're in the moment reacting to peoples' questions and giving advice on the spot, you don't have time to wordcraft your speech like this. You'd still mess up once in a while. Look at how often people tweak, clarify, and edit their comments even here on hacker news. So you'll probably just end…
There's a difference between wordcrafting and giving obviously preposterous advice like "What would a white man do?"
If I was giving advice to someone who was too assertive and taking too much credit, I would never say "Think about what a black woman would do." Things like this are so transparently racist it shouldn't even need to be explained. You are simultaneously characterizing a race and gender of people and also telling someone else to act like a different race and gender.
The reason the advice was poorly received is because it is nonsense. The recipient of the advice asked the perfect question - "what does it mean to act like a white man?" The OP, when asked, also doesn't seem to know what it means. I'd say there is a lesson there - don't repeat something just because it was will received when you originally heard it. You may not understand it. It may be something of an emperor's new clothes situation where nobody can question the person who gave the original advice, but that doesn't make it good.
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#160There's an extreme right, and there's an extreme left. Right now the whole right is an extreme right, whereas the left is divided between more moderate and cancel culture. Apparently tucker said that the right would go into full fascist mode because of BLM/antifa (lol), I'm wondering if the left is going full woke because of the right going fascist. People are being triggered by the other side, and becoming extremists themselves. There's no moving forward with division, this whole thing is probably good for the rest of the world.