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The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by Omnitaus »

hutzlibu wrote: post #92
biswaroop wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> relying on vaccination and sterilisation too much, causes the immune system to be weak I think you fundamentally misunderstand the mechanism of vaccination.

I think I do, but do you? Because the way I understand it, vaccination trains only a very specific part of the immune system. Which is then indeed effective against the very specific virus, but does not really increase your general immune system strength.

Huh, it's almost as if the vaccine is to innoculate me against a specific lethal pathogen that I don't want to risk training my immune system on

If you want a better overall immune system eat better and excercise, there is zero reason to avoid a vaccine unless you're immunocompromised or allergic

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by nanis »

guscost wrote: post #30

All human coronavirus diseases, including COVID-19, are colds. Always have been. This one from 1890 might have been caused by OC43: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1889–1890_pandemic

Related comment of mine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26196318

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by nanis »

behringer wrote: post #127
gher-shyu3i wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.

> science can find it.

There is no thing called "science" that finds answers. There are scientists who can form hypotheses about the universe they can see and perceive and check whether they are consistent with what they can see and perceive.

We are mostly ants on a balloon:

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-the-fact-tha...

We do not know where the balloon came from.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by dragonwriter »

mrkramer wrote: post #80
SirSavary wrote: post #65

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You better hope that the judge handling your case doesn't stumble upon this comment thread. Your lack of Mens Rea isn't going to fly if you're caught meta-discussing the whole thing. Also, manslaughter?

And btw I understand what manslaughter is but again I'm not a lawyer. Refer me to any case or cases where someone is guilty of spreading a virus without intent(Involuntary).

Laws adopted in the course of the HIV pandemic in many jurisdictions made various acts that were more likely to spread the virus criminal if you knew you were infected unless other people put at risk were informed of the fact and consented to the risk, whether or not you intended to cause harm.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by hutzlibu »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #44
insickness wrote: post #2

"From the moment the invaders arrived, breathed our air, ate and drank, they were doomed. They were undone, destroyed, after all of man's weapons and devices had failed, by the tiniest creatures that God in his wisdom put upon this earth. By the toll of a billion deaths, man had earned his immunity, his right to survive among this planet's infinite organisms. And that right is ours against all challenges. For neither…

"the tiniest creatures God in his wisdom put upon this earth" The writing is nice but flawed. Since War of the Worlds, we have advanced tremendously and no longer need intelligent design or creation myths to explain microorganisms. Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of…

"Reproducible, testable science demonstrates that in the primordial oceans, self-replicating molecules which were slightly better at self-replicating produced globules of matter capable of inheritance."

Hang on. Are you implying that science created artifical life from just elements? Because that would be news to me.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by dragonwriter »

mrkramer wrote: post #104
dragonwriter wrote: post #84

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> I discussed months ago here on HN that looking legally causing someone's death without intent is not criminal because you had no intent of killing Intentional killing is usually first degree murder, or voluntary manslaughter, depending on premeditation. Second (in some schemes third) degree murder (depraved indifference) and involuntary manslaughter, and negligent homicide all are crimes, and do not require intent…

I understand what involuntary manslaughter is but does it apply to spreading a virus? I'm not a lawyer but if it does I will act accordingly and try not to commit involuntary manslaughter hypothetically speaking.

> I understand what involuntary manslaughter is but does it apply to spreading a virus?

Neither depraved heart murder nor involuntary manslaughter has an exception for viral-agent-as-mechanism on any jurisdiction I'm familiar with.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by behringer »

gher-shyu3i wrote: post #140
behringer wrote: post #127

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Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.

Because it's beyond the realm of space and time. We can't go back before t=0 when the universe was created.

Until we know the nature of the universe, that may not be correct.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by [deleted] »

Omnitaus wrote: post #147
mrkramer wrote: post #142

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If you kill somebody you will be charged for involuntary manslaughter or constructive manslaughter depending on what speed limit was but if I sit next to you unvaccinated in a waiting room should I be charged as well?

I mean if you're against vaccines, the best public health measure since soap, perhaps you're the weakest link we're begging natural selection to act on. Hope you don't use glasses, take antibiotics, receive surgery, or benefit otherwise from the million and one things humans have invented so as to not deal with random selection dependent on changing external stimuli

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Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by behringer »

nanis wrote: post #153
behringer wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.

> science can find it. There is no thing called "science" that finds answers. There are scientists who can form hypotheses about the universe they can see and perceive and check whether they are consistent with what they can see and perceive. We are mostly ants on a balloon: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/does-the-fact-tha... We do not know where the balloon came from.

science is our method of finding answers. When we say science can find it, we mean scientists using the scientific method.

Re: The virus that causes the common cold can effectively boot the Covid virus out

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Post by marshmallow_12 »

behringer wrote: post #127
gher-shyu3i wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Science does not and will not be able to explain the origin of life. The statement still holds. It's very arrogant of us to assume otherwise.

Why wouldn't it. If it has an answer science can find it.

He means to say that science does not have the tools to reproduce the beginning of the Universe. If it's not reproducible it's not Science. Confident assertions non-withstanding, the Human mind is a slave to nature, in that can never hope to uncover it's deepest secrets and thus, it's true.....nature?
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