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Re: Switzerland votes against electronic ID system provided by private companies

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Post by rodgerd »

max_ wrote: post #20
bondarchuk wrote: post #5

Almost every politician wants more power over citizens. That is why a binding popular referendum is necessary in cases like these. Congrats to the Swiss people, I am a little bit jealous.

I really admire the swiss political system & culture. It's has all the modern postulates of liberty & governance that most countries are striving for without the "scam orchestration"

> I really admire the swiss political system & culture.

Do you admire denying women the vote until the end of the 20th century?

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Post by archsurface »

tompagenet2 wrote: post #67
max_ wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really admire the swiss political system & culture. It's has all the modern postulates of liberty & governance that most countries are striving for without the "scam orchestration"

The banning of minarets is a data point against this liberty.

Only for people who moved there, knowing full well that they were moving into a different culture, and that as a minority they would have to adapt to local norms. I've lived in a number of countries on various continents, and I have never expected the locals to adopt my way of doing things - I think that would be utterly bizarre. If you go there without a degree of humility and willingness to adapt you're a colonist.

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Post by sircastor »

ganstyles wrote: post #133
osrec wrote: post #127

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And they keep getting awarded contracts despite their continued poor delivery. I really don't understand how their terrible track record never seems to impact their ability to win more business. I can only assume corruption, but I have no evidence of this.

Their ability to win business is based on their expertise at writing responses to RFPs in a successful way, not in their ability to deliver. Also, they do have a few successful projects, to some standard of success, which they point to in the RFP responses as a "successful" track record. Often the ability to point to an almost perfectly analogous project and writing the responses in the "correct" way is all it takes.

This reminds me of how much universities value the ability of staff and students that can write grant applications that get awarded.

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Post by smnrchrds »

MikeUt wrote: post #88
folli wrote: post #77

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As a datapoint: Switzerland has the highest proportion of foreigners in Europe (25%; with the exception of Luxembourg, and perhaps some microstates like Vatican, Monte Carlo, don't know about those). So I don't think there's any comparison at all to Japan (2%).

Are the "foreigners" mostly other Europeans?

More than 80% are from Europe. 35.5% are from Germany, Austria, Italy, and France, i.e. countries with the same language and ethnicity (to a certain extent) as the native Swiss.

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/society/migration-series-part-1...

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Post by genericacct »

avereveard wrote: post #138
ncphil wrote: post #81

"... almost no government has the IT capacity and resources to single-handedly develop an eID quickly and to the appropriate standards." Bullshit. We're talking identity management here. Any government that can't handle that internally doesn't deserve to exist. What that's really about is feathering the nests of tech industry donors (and/or the non-tech middlemen or middlewomen who seem to grow like weeds around the…

Our country rolled out two certification based systems (Carta Nazionale Servizi which then got rolled into the Carta di Identità Elettronica), plus a federation based system built around SAML (Sistema Pubblico di Identità Digitale) where you can access to most italian bureoucracy. And we're talking about Italy, not some first rated technological paradise.

Yes and now your picture, a picture of your id card, your email and telephone are in the hands of the same people who store banking passwords in plaintext..

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Post by nec4b »

DetroitThrow wrote: post #147
nec4b wrote: post #134

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Why, do you think it is a human right for men to force women to wear burqas? There are plenty of articles of lately how SF doesn't allow building high rises, which prevents migration and yet nobody calls them xenophobic.

I do think people regularly criticize zoning policy like that in SF as racist, though. A quick Google search seems to yield many criticisms, actually. If you present a question as a falsifiable test to whether people are consistent in calling out discrimination, I would hope you would be open to changing your mind on the issue rather than simply convince yourself there is instead a conspiracy when new evidence is pre…

It only shows that some people like to call other people whom they don't agree with, with slurs like racist, xenophobe,..., to imply there can't be any other rational explanation other that those people are bad.

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Post by nec4b »

DetroitThrow wrote: post #123
zo1 wrote: post #115

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Xenophobia is a loaded term. There could be any number of reasons why they're voting against those things. And so what if they dislike certain foreign cultures? It's their country, and they can accept who they want, or not. Or is Democracy suddenly not okay if the will of the people is misaligned with the "greater" society's views? Which, I would also argue, isn't conclusively in the camp that "xenophobia = bad". If…

>And so what if they dislike certain foreign cultures? It's their country, and they can accept who they want, or not. Sure, but they are what we define as unambiguously xenophobic policies, even if it is a broad term which can include much more than that and were democratically enacted. Whether xenophobia is bad is another story - I'm not really sure anyone would find much insight from a discussion about it.

I'm very much against genital mutilation as is practiced in some muslim countries and support bans against such practices in the west. Does that make me a xenophobe?

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Post by ben_w »

ncphil wrote: post #81

"... almost no government has the IT capacity and resources to single-handedly develop an eID quickly and to the appropriate standards." Bullshit. We're talking identity management here. Any government that can't handle that internally doesn't deserve to exist. What that's really about is feathering the nests of tech industry donors (and/or the non-tech middlemen or middlewomen who seem to grow like weeds around the…

Building a system which works for 99% of the population, 99% of the times they want to use it, sure.

That 1% though, is going to have all the weird edge cases.

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Post by xiphias2 »

KirillPanov wrote: post #80
dheera wrote: post #33

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> All persons have the right to receive respect for their private and family life, home, and secrecy of the mails and telecommunications. I really wish the US had this. Here, even simple acts like registering to vote or getting a driver license, bank account, credit card means your personal residence gets leaked to spammers, scammers, data brokers, and eventually, stalkers. There really should be laws saying that per…

I'm thinking of buying a condemned, uninhabitable house in a tax foreclosure auction simply so I can list it as my residential address. Most places that demand a utility bill will accept a property tax bill, so it doesn't even have to have working water/power (the cheapest doomshacks have both shut off). You'd be surprised how cheap some of these places are. But it does have to show up as "residential" in the USPS da…

Jameson Lopp had spent tens of thousands of dollars or more on lawyers to make his life untracable after the CIA got into his house, and he shared a lot of what he did.
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