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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by input_sh »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #41

It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…

I've given up during the time when ISIS regularly posted videos on social media. I've reported a video with a literal beheading about two thirds of the video in, and it didn't go against Facebook's community standards.

I guess whichever moderator saw it didn't bother to skip ahead during those like 5-10 seconds they reach their decision in.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by sdeframond »

LegitShady wrote: post #132
sdeframond wrote: post #63

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That's correct. As an anecdote, I was pretty shocked when some foreigner friend told me "universal" human rights can actually be perceived as more of a "western imperialism" thing. While I still think human rights are a thing, I can understand that they have been used hypocritically many times through history. Regarding TFA, I am unsure whether I'd rather FB to impose US's views on freespeech to Turkey or to respect…

>Regarding TFA, I am unsure whether I'd rather FB to impose US's views on freespeech to Turkey or to respect whatever the local government is telling it to do. You have it backwards, facebook et al will slowly kill free speech in the US while claiming to be pro free speech. We have before us the greatest setup for fascism in history, and these tech companies should allow themselves to be banned from countries before…

I am very wary of FB. In fact I deleted my account about 10 years ago (God knows I had to jump through hoops for this). Still using Whatsapp but mainly Signal.

Truth is one does not need Facebook at all. Don't rely on it for getting news, don't rely on it for giving news.

> these tech companies should allow themselves to be banned

So you expect Big Corp to have a conscience? How cute :P

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by m0rti »

_bohm wrote: post #35
kobasa wrote: post #25

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>The reason PKK and/or YPG/YPJ is on some terrorist lists is mainly because Turkish government is against Kurdish rights in general. So you're just gonna omit the fact that they have a decades long history of bombing and killing innocent civilians including kids?

The PKK was formed in reaction to intense oppression of the Kurdish people by the Turkish State. The Kurdish language and traditional garb were banned, and Kurdish history was not allowed to be taught. The Turkish State also burned Kurdish villages and slaughtered many Kurds. None of this is to say that the PKK has not committed acts which would surely offend western sensibilities, but simply slapping the "terrorist"…

Terrorist is an ideological word, therefore it doesn’t always represent everyone’s views of a certain group.

Terrorist groups born as a reaction to heavy injustice. Hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqi civilians motivate a lot of members of the most popular terrorist groups today.

This has always been like this, we don’t live in a cartoon where the bad guy is 2 dimensional.

To try to understand these groups’ motivations is easy when you are immune to their actions. However, this behaviour is pretty off putting for the other side of the discussion, in this case Turkish people.

I think we need to draw a line somewhere. I don’t know where but this doesn’t feel right for me.

When you start the justification game, you need to do it for other groups too. Otherwise it would come off as hypocritical and dishonest. I don’t know you personally, maybe you do say this for all the “terrorist” groups. But I witness this behaviour online a lot when it comes to the groups that hurt Turkish civilians and I wanted to point it out, maybe this comment can give a bit of perspective to some people.

Also a separate note for the audience, not related with your comment, this is not an Erdogan specific issue as the people from the anglo-sphere tend to claim in this thread. It started before Erdogan, it will continue after Erdogan. If Obama could be the next Turkish president, the situation would still be the same.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by sudosysgen »

sgift wrote: post #113
mclightning wrote: post #102

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FTFY : Germans, and Europeans generally, have put the security of people of color in Africa, India, Americas and their families in jeopardy over half a thousand year to democratise systems across their population to live in free and open societies that we are now able to migrate to.

So, the revolutions in Europe (which lead to democratization) happened because of whatever happened in Africa, India and the Americas? Or what do you mean?

They were a big factor in making such models sustainable and widespread, yes.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by cblconfederate »

Ozzie_osman wrote: post #106
cblconfederate wrote: post #87

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> many of us refrain from heavy criticism If the people who can speak up don't speak up then how is change ever to be expected? This is btw not what usually happens in such situations (immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it)

I definitely know Turks who are vocal against their regime, but I understand that many cannot afford to be. This isn't like the old days, before social media. Now, anything you say on social media can get you or your relatives back home on trouble. PS Not Turkish but from another country with a regime that retaliates against critics.

I agree with that, and this is a huge regression we didn't even have 3 decades ago. It should be talked more

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by [deleted] »

treszkai wrote: post #108
cblconfederate wrote: post #87

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> many of us refrain from heavy criticism If the people who can speak up don't speak up then how is change ever to be expected? This is btw not what usually happens in such situations (immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it)

> immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it There's a huge selection bias here (the immigrants most visible are those who speak up), so I wouldn't be so certain about this. My prior is that people don't give a shit about what's happening elsewhere, and their life is certainly easier if they don't _publish_ their controversial views. (Even if that controversial view is shared knowledge among i…

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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by [deleted] »

_fat_santa wrote: post #111
cblconfederate wrote: post #87

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> many of us refrain from heavy criticism If the people who can speak up don't speak up then how is change ever to be expected? This is btw not what usually happens in such situations (immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it)

I can give some background on this, I immigrated from Russia to the US when I was 5 and I still have a ton of extended family that lives there. Do I like Putin or what Russia is doing? Hell no. But at the same time I'm not going to saying anything negative in public about Russia. If I got on the Russian governments radar forget what they will do to me, I live in America, what will they do to my Grandmother, my uncles…

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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by [deleted] »

cblconfederate wrote: post #87
egeozcan wrote: post #85

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As a Turkish immigrant in Germany, I really find the word "expat" irritating. Why should I make it explicitly clear that my immigration happened on my own terms? Apart from that, the sheer amount of Turkish immigrants who left the country in the last decade (including me) are not Erdoğan supporters. However, many of us refrain from heavy criticism as we occasionally go to Turkey to visit our relatives and we don't wa…

> many of us refrain from heavy criticism If the people who can speak up don't speak up then how is change ever to be expected? This is btw not what usually happens in such situations (immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it)

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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by cblconfederate »

_fat_santa wrote: post #111
cblconfederate wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> many of us refrain from heavy criticism If the people who can speak up don't speak up then how is change ever to be expected? This is btw not what usually happens in such situations (immigrants fleeing authoritarianism are generally vocal against it)

I can give some background on this, I immigrated from Russia to the US when I was 5 and I still have a ton of extended family that lives there. Do I like Putin or what Russia is doing? Hell no. But at the same time I'm not going to saying anything negative in public about Russia. If I got on the Russian governments radar forget what they will do to me, I live in America, what will they do to my Grandmother, my uncles…

On the other hand public pressure from abroad does work , and since politics tends to run in families, their families are at risk anyway. I can tell from the experience of my country (greece) during the dictatorial regime 50 years ago. The greeks who were persecuted / emigrated to europe (France mostly) were very vocal about the (US-backed) regime and drew international condemnation, especially the high-profile ones. It certainly contributed to its eventual downfall a few years later, but importantly it helped the swift return of democracy, because there was already a group of people who were politically organized abroad.
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