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Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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All these recent events involving censorship and left aligned tech companies eerily reminds me a passage the Unabomber wrote in his manifesto back in the 1990s. " Some leftists may seem to oppose technology, but they will oppose it only so long as they are outsiders and the technological system is controlled by non-leftists. If leftism ever becomes dominant in society, so that the technological system becomes a tool…

Exactly. I don't share the Unabomber's directional disdain for leftists, but most people are simply too dim to understand the concept that liberalism/illiberalism exists on an axis independent of leftism/rightism. If you're planning to burn down liberal norms for short-term partisan gains, you better understand the long view, but that's simply beyond the capacity of the majority of people. To be clear, there are left…

Not entirely sure why you're being downvoted—maybe some are reading your list of groups, seeing their own, and saying, "well they were right up until that part," and got offended—but you are correct that illiberalism exists on all sides of the political spectrum.

And of course when it does, the now-illiberal faction rationalizes it with some manner of, "liberalism, except when..."

The problem with liberalism is that—while it is the most sane mode of structural organization—it is extremely brittle in the face of illiberalism.

Liberalism—and its ancestors/influences—never ate itself, unlike illiberalism. But it does always fall to barbarism. It's like having an argument with an insane person: you may be right, but you'll never win that fight.

That is a seriously concerning weakness, because when liberalism is threatened, the default modes of self preservation are either: roll over and get beaten (as a matter of principal) or reject some (or all) liberalism in order to fight back. In either case, liberalism goes away.

I'm not sure that anyone has ever come up with a reasonable defense. (And maybe there is none.) Humanity seems to prefer pendula. The grass is always greener...

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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post #149

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Because she was gaining more support/momentum, and she is going toward the direction the military doesn't like. The coup proves that she never really had any authority to begin with.

>that she never really had any authority to begin with. Why then the lies about the genocide?

Maybe she is actually a genocider reborn. Maybe she isn't.

What we know is that she doesn't really have any authority.

If she does something the military didn't like, whoops there's a coup.

If the military is likey or feels so so about it, then it's fine.

If the military wants her to do something, she probably has to.

The coup proves that.

Western people are out of touch. You cannot speak up or playing a martyr in these countries because they will actually kill you and your family and everyone involved.

To answer your question, we'll probably never know.

Apparently, you probably don't know either since your question implied that she had authority.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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post #77

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> Noone needs Facebook, it serves no valid purpose for the human race Billions of people find value in facebook and use it daily. Who are you to make that call?

Just because other people don't agree with that call, doesn't mean he's not allowed to have an opinion.

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Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

#154

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Just because other people don't agree with that call, doesn't mean he's not allowed to have an opinion.

I appreciate your support in this discussion, but please don't assume my gender. My pronouns are they/them. Thank you!

So, "... doesn't mean they're not allowed to have an opinion"?

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

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post #120

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What, exactly, do you mean by the “civilian government was partially included in the genocide?” The military does not take orders from civilian government, it’s the other way around. Civilian gov has no legal or de facto control over Tatmadaw, or border control, or home affairs (police, courts). There is no civilian legislative control over Rakhine operations. Tatmadaw just does whatever they wants. And anyone who sp…

>>A day earlier, in yet another legal challenge, a Rohingya rights group launched a case calling on courts in Argentina to prosecute military and civilian officials – including Aung San Suu Kyi – under the concept of universal jurisdiction, which pushes for domestic courts to investigate international crimes. https://www.thenewhumanitarian.org/anaylsis/2019/11/21/Myanm... https://burmacampaign.org.uk/argentinean-cour…

The complaint filed in Argentina does not establish any responsibility for genocide by Aung San Su Kyi.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

#156

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I appreciate your support in this discussion, but please don't assume my gender. My pronouns are they/them. Thank you!

So, "... doesn't mean they're not allowed to have an opinion"?

yes, that is awesome! thank you!

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

#157

I remain convinced that Facebook is incrementally scrubbing news and politics from their platform.

Ah yes, the travesty of murderous thugs shooting their own citizens having their Facebook page taken down. What ever has the world come to.

You appear to be reading a sentiment into my comment thats not there. Facebook can do whatever they want (within the law) because it's their platform and thus their rules.

I'm merely commenting that I'm reasonably convinced they're (in general) removing news and politics from the platform because its _in their interests_ to do so.

Considering the wider issue faced in Australia at the moment, its fair commentary and sarcastic responses don't contribute to the discourse.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

#158
post #130

I remain convinced that Facebook is incrementally scrubbing news and politics from their platform.

More like selectively scrubbing news and politics, this case in point being one more example to add to this troubling trend.

I don't think it's troubling at all. On the contrary - the more politics removed from FB, the higher the net benefit to society of not having citizens continually "enraged at the other side".

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

#159

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Exactly. I don't share the Unabomber's directional disdain for leftists, but most people are simply too dim to understand the concept that liberalism/illiberalism exists on an axis independent of leftism/rightism. If you're planning to burn down liberal norms for short-term partisan gains, you better understand the long view, but that's simply beyond the capacity of the majority of people. To be clear, there are left…

Not entirely sure why you're being downvoted—maybe some are reading your list of groups, seeing their own, and saying, "well they were right up until that part," and got offended—but you are correct that illiberalism exists on all sides of the political spectrum. And of course when it does, the now-illiberal faction rationalizes it with some manner of, "liberalism, except when... " The problem with liberalism is that…

> Not entirely sure why you're being downvoted

I've definitely learned not to be fazed by downvotes on political topics, especially in the current political environment. Like I said (and like you say, more diplomatically), most people are just too dim to understand not only this dynamic, but the very concept of liberalism.

Re: Facebook takes down main page of Myanmar military

#160

Facebook should really come down from their high horses and let legal entities decide of stuff like this. They're a utility. (not saying that in a bad way, becoming a utility is the ultimate startup achievement)

>Facebook should really come down from their high horses and let legal entities decide of stuff like this If you've followed this conversation at all for the last 5-10 years, there's no way it makes sense to think that these decisions are somehow driven by Facebook'(or any tech company's) desires. Leaving aside the intense liberal values personally held by Zuckerbeg, Page, Brin, Dorsey, et al, the responsibility for…

Thanks, I didn’t realize that. I guess that’s why Dorsey wanted to create an open protocol that would be free from these.
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